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Published: Tuesday 4 October 2011
In their own words, why protesters are occupying Wall Street.

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City

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This document was accepted by the NYC General Assembly on September 29, 2011, with minor updates made on October 1, 2011. It is the first official, collective statement of the protesters in Zuccotti Park.

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

  • They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
  • They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
  • They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
  • They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
  • They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
  • They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
  • They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
  • They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
  • They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
  • They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
  • They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
  • They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
  • They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
  • They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
  • They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
  • They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
  • They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
  • They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
  • They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
  • They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
  • They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
  • They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
  • They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

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Holy sihznit, this is so cool thank you.

Can someone please help. Has

Can someone please help. Has the occupy declaration outlined on the following website officially been adopted by OWS ? Here is the declaration I am referring to If it is truly an OWS declaration why does it only apply to America. Occupy is now a world wide movement after all ! Also where is the feedback loop to fine tune the document so to speak? Just some thoughts!

You talk solutions before

You talk solutions before there is even formal acknowledgement of the problem.A solution can only be made once people stop denying the problem.

Ah yes, a great list of

Ah yes, a great list of complaints. The solutions to the problems that caused these injustices are located where? Where are the solutions that OWS offers please!

There are a lot of ad hominem

There are a lot of ad hominem attacks on the OWS movement going on here, but little substantive dialogue. If those conservative people who feign concern for our country posed questions specific to the OWS objectives, such a dialogue would prove there is more that binds us than separates us. Sadly, fear is a highly developed emotion in us humans... and it motivates us beyond our logic and reason.

It is, however, important to note that in the late 19th Century, similar attacks against the Labor Movement took place. Yet, prior to that movement, citizens didn't enjoy a 5 day work week, 40 hour work weeks, and other basic protections against employer abuses. A modicum of historical context might go a long way for those who speak out of ignorance.

Social discourse is a

Social discourse is a right... civil social discourse is a blessing.

If you really care about this country exercise emotional constraint when discussing the issues. Stick to discussion of the facts stated in the manifesto.

Ron Paul, on the OWS

Ron Paul, on the OWS movement's right to protest

If this is the best

If this is the best Nationofchange can do after more than a month, even with a redirect from Weasel Zippers, 75 comments, you really need a better business plan!
Or maybe it's because the whole movement is a crock and you just haven't figured it out yet?
Losers being led by bigger losers!

Exactly. I advocate a limited

Exactly. I advocate a limited government, not a weak government. A weak government wouldn't be capable of protecting or rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Are You Smarter Than a Wall

Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? – 10/18/11 – Over the past month, the crusaders at Zuccotti Park have braved the elements, tussled with police, and stood their ground against Mayor Bloomberg. But how much do the protesters actually know about the economic system that they’re fighting to change? To find out, we asked 50 occupiers a series of questions about Wall Street, taxes, and government.

What is the Dodd–Frank Act?.................84% don’t know the answer

Does President Obama control the Federal Reserve?...........26% don’t know the answer

Who is the chairman of the Federal Reserve?.............62% don’t know the answer

Is the U.S. economy currently experiencing inflation or deflation?........................................24% don’t know the answer

Who is Elizabeth Warren?.......................76% don’t know the answer

What is the “S.E.C.”?.............................72% don’t know the answer

What is the top marginal income tax rate for the richest 1 percent?...................................90% don’t know the answer

What does the government spend more on? Health care and pensions, education, or the military?......................96% don’t know the answer

Are You Smarter Than a Wall

Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? – 10/18/11 – Over the past month, the crusaders at Zuccotti Park have braved the elements, tussled with police, and stood their ground against Mayor Bloomberg. But how much do the protesters actually know about the economic system that they’re fighting to change? To find out, we asked 50 occupiers a series of questions about Wall Street, taxes, and government.What is the Dodd–Frank Act?.................84% don’t know the answerDoes President Obama control the Federal Reserve?...........26% don’t know the answerWho is the chairman of the Federal Reserve?.............62% don’t know the answerIs the U.S. economy currently experiencing inflation or deflation?........................................24% don’t know the answerWho is Elizabeth Warren?.......................76% don’t know the answerWhat is the “S.E.C.”?.............................72% don’t know the answerWhat is the top marginal income tax rate for the richest 1 percent?...................................90% don’t know the answerWhat does the government spend more on? Health care and pensions, education, or the military?......................96% don’t know the

Permit me, one who is not

Permit me, one who is not drinking, smoking drugs or been brainwashed in an institute of “higher learning”, a chance to rebut your “facts”•Your house was foreclosed because you didn’t pay the mortgage. Who cares who foreclosed on you? If the right company or person did not do it, that’s between them and the rightful owner who, by the way, is not you!•Yes, companies did take bailouts from taxpayers. Who gave it to them? Politicians! Take your beef to them. Some companies were forced to take bailouts, by the way. Speaking of bailouts, next time you refuse to pick up your UI or welfare check because you don’t want to burden the taxpayer, let me know. Very few turn down money that is thrown at them by an out of control government. •Perpetuated inequality? Are you kidding me? There are more laws that regulate equality in every facet of American life than anywhere on earth! In fact, “equality” has been completely turned on its head in America such that the best and brightest are no longer a consideration anymore! One scores more points if they are a black, disabled lesbian when applying for employment these days. TV sitcoms and comedians don’t come up with this stuff in a vacuum!•Poisoned the food supply? What planet do you live on? The production of food, whether it be in crops or meat, has increased exponentially both in output and safety just in the last 100 years. We, particularly in America, have the most regulated and safest food supply in the world and exponentially more people of the world are being fed properly! What are you suggesting? Return to the middle ages when people died at the ripe old age of 38? Why do you think we live so long these days?•The vast majority of us eat meat. That’s what we do. It helps us survive and tastes good. The meat producers know we don’t like to see how we get our meat. Animals are meat. Too bad. Get over it.•Strip employees of rights? Oh stop! The richest population of the world didn’t get that way because workers were stripped of their right to wages and as for safety, no other government has so many regulations governing the safety of workers than the US. Most, if not all, employers wouldn’t dare have workers in unsafe conditions even without the rules because of the litigious nature of the US anyway. They would be fools if they did!•Education is a human right? Unbelievable! No student was forced to go to college and rack up debt. That was their decision and if it was wrong, too bad! If you want to be educated, you can be, for practically nothing! Spend a lot of time in the library, go on line, you don’t need college if you put you mind to it. It’s your choice! Do I have to mention Steve Jobs or many other people who have made a difference and managed to make a lot of money without the benefit of a college “education” in womyn’s studies?•Companies outsource labor. So? If you have a problem with that, don’t buy that company’s products. Simple. Did you write this declaration on a Mac or PC built in China? You are your own worst enemy then, no? Are you not the reason Gateway Computers (was it? ) of Wisconsin doesn’t make computers in America? ‘Cause you wouldn’t buy them?•I’m assuming you mean “companies” have achieved rights. Sorry, companies have always had rights and responsibilities just like individuals. Just ask the tobacco companies or any company that has been sued for damages. •Everybody, individuals, companies and governments sometimes get themselves into situations where the rules laid out in a contract are simply not viable in a changing market or situation. What’s your point? If it is a company and if, by not changing the contract, the company fails, how is that good for the employees? What do you want, the contract mandated health care or a job? Your choice.•You want privacy? Stop using Google.•They have used the military to prevent freedom of the press? In America? Are you just stupid?Jesus H. Christ in a boat, I just can’t go on. Now you are simply raving. Or, as I said, you’re just stupid!

Nick, your words and

Nick, your words and sentiments perfectly reflect those of a neo-liberal. I won’t call you stupid as you have defined us, but I will say that ignorance defines your perspective on those issues you list with such blithe assurance, and demonstrate your unfortunate lack of education and understanding.

To begin, let me help you to understand the meaning and origins of Neo-liberalism, so that you may see its parallels in your comment. After you have considered the following historical facts, cited with links below, you may learn something you haven’t known or realized before, or you may dismiss or deny the truth in these facts, but you will not remain ignorant of them.

"Neo-liberalism" is a set of economic policies that have become widespread during the last 25 years or so. Although the word is rarely heard in the United States, you can clearly see the effects of neo-liberalism here as the rich grow richer and the poor grow poorer, and the middle-class is being destroyed, which is substantiated by statistical reports published in Harvard Magazine, Cover Article, Nov, 2011, - shown on CNBC , and examined by Lew Rockwell at .

The capitalist crisis over the last 25 years, with its shrinking profit rates, inspired the corporate elite to revive economic liberalism. That's what makes it "neo" or new. Now, with the rapid globalization of the capitalist economy, we are seeing neo-liberalism on a global scale.

Conservative politicians who say they hate "liberals , have no real problem with economic liberalism, including neoliberalism.

...... The main points of neo-liberalism include:

1. THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.
2. CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.
3. DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environment and safety on the job.
4. PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.
5. ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

The Republican "Contract" on America is pure neo-liberalism.

The very design of neoliberal principles is a direct attack on democracy.” - Noam Chomsky, Hopes and Prospects

Around the world, neo-liberalism has been imposed by powerful financial institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. It is raging all over Latin America. And, in the United States, neo-liberalism is attacking the rights of labor and cutting back funds for education and social programs, as well as science and medical research programs .


During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -
George Orwell

A well informed citizenry is the only true repository of the public will." Thomas Jefferson

An informed citizenry is the strength of democracy. ...a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." James Madison

Please educate yourself and WAKE UP!

So, you say you haven't been

So, you say you haven't been "brainwashed" in an institute of higher learning. Well, you have been brainwashed most likely by FOX News. The corporate media indoctrinates all those poor souls who don't know better. You are obviously so ignorant that you don't even realize you're ignorant. Sadly, most institutions of higher learning have become little more than fancy trade schools but there are some good teachers here & there. True education is self education & that means a lot of work not just sitting in front of t.v. & receiving the messages of the fear & hate mongers like Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc. These preachers & pundits of ignorance & intolerance only convince those who have not developed their critical & analytical thinnking skills. The Nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, realized the power of repeating a lie over & over and it will eventually become accepted as "fact." People are losing their homes because of the predatory lenders who lured them into contracts that set them up for the kill by the killer class i.e. "compassionate conservatives" like yourself, Dubya Bush, Cheney, etc. Yeah, against the overwhelming majority of Americans who made it very clear they didn't want to bail-out the Super Banks, Congress, the whores for their corporate masters gave them the money anyway but the banks were suppose to make credit available so small businesses, etc. could help stimulate the economy & what did the banks do? They told us to go screw ourselves & gave themselves outrageous bonuses. You keep on using the old bait & switch tactic of attacking the government like it's the only problem. You phony conservatives make me nauseous because you know damn well that that same government gives you fantastic tax breaks, subsidies, sweetheart contracts, etc. and if it weren't for your sugar daddy government with your handmaidens, you'd be forced to sink or swim like all the rest of us. There is no "free market,' that's just another myth you perpetuate to keep the naive believing & playing in your rigged game. And you love to harp on a few "welfare cheats" when your corporate crooks steal billions from us in the form of over-priced & defective weapons systems, start illegal & immoral wars to enrich themselves & their cronies, etc. Another favorite tactic of you corporate cockroaches is to whine that "regulations" are stifling business. Give me a break! If we were so overly regulated, your robber baron buddies on Wall St. couldn't have gotten away with so much & brought the world near to total economic collapse. And yeah, it was President Clinton who repealed Glass-Steagall which opened the floodgates of greed & corruption & he signed NAFTA. The democrats are only marginally less culpable than the republican reptiles. As for "stripping away worker's rights," you obviously are counting on everyone to be just as ignorant as yourself. Like Faux News, you conveniently rewrite history, or leave out the truth, whenever it suits your line of empty reasoning. This country was built on genocide of the Native Americans & the backs of slave labor. And every right workers got was paid for in blood. Thugs hired by the corporate crocodiles, beat them bloody. And the Great Depression was originally called the Republican Depression because they caused it. Ever since F.D.R. was forced to create the New Deal by the Americans who truly love America, you, in the ruling positions of power, have been waging a war against the poor, the working class, & the middle class. I could go on but I tire of mental midgets such as yourself & you're not fooling anyone except those without a heart or mind. Keep on tellling yourself these fairy tales but we, the human class, will take back our power and you vermin will slink away once again into your dark holes. Yours truly,

World Wide Water Day December

World Wide Water Day
December 22

Friday: 11/4/2011 @ 3:44 PM MST
Greetings to Everyone are the ones in charge listening,
Please respond!!!
Since I've been invited to generate a solution and utilize all their resources available to them, per the last part of the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City; which offers no solution, just a list of known complaints that world citizens have been complaining about for years which petitions, protests, demonstrations, and occupations do little more other than to shine a beacon on the travesties and injustices we humans collectively condon by not doing anything about them other than complaining.
These have made little to no progress towards positive change, but you've done something different this time, largely in thanks to Mark Zuckerberg, co-founder of facebook. Because of the vast amount of available networking tools the #Occupy momentum is showing the world uniting at the same time, a continuous wave of emotion, expressed through action, like attracts like. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting diferent results is one definition of insanity. Our species is doing something diferent, proof we are not insane, yet we are still a species that likes to heard together and we are products of our environment including the collective consciousness.
Wrap your minds and thoughts around the following:
Justice does not come out of an unjust system so to expect it is moronic and I know the majority of the world citizens who are complaining are NOT moronic so lets take this #Occupy action of #OWS a step further which will set into irreversable motion a giant leap for mankind.
Since I've been invited "create a proces to address the problems we face and generate solutions accessible to everyone" I readily accept that challange and infact have been working towards this solution all my life, waiting for the right moment to present it. The time is now nearing that this solution will end the suffering of all life as we know it and it is in alignment with everything and everyone. I can see your misanthropy, it projects your disbelief that one has a viable, practical, or executable plan; but I do!
It was master minded long ago in the annuals of time and space and will trancend any opposition, it offers a win win solution to all of humanity and all of existence, for when people remember the truth of a thing that is when they at once are free to take right actions. When those actions are undertaken or overtaken by acts backed with the full power of integrity (truth) all things created out of those actions further set society, humanity, and ultimately all life free to obtain blessings of liberty and domestic tranquility.
The solution is an annual all day global event that can be done in groups or individually in solitude and surely by all who are participating in an #Occupation anywhere or an #Occupy #Cause.

The Solution is Here:
A Supercritical Mass Consciousness Shift Event and you're invited.

Commit to attend the event, it is the only way we will stop the mass extinction event. Thoughts are things, what are your thoughts creating.
Comments are encouraged and welcome.
I am available for speaking engagements in person or online, and interviews of all types, to give instructions and answer your questions or to address your concerns; including detailed explinations to make this event comprehensible by describing the relevant structure and outcome.
"Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!"

It's impossible to listen while speaking, are you listening?
Is my voice being heard?

Susi Alexander
Susi Q Rain: Seer.Healer.Sage.Muse and Master Manifester

My contact information is readily available online.
December 22 a supercritical mass consciousness shift is going to occure, are you a leader or a follower?
Leaders lead your people to WWWD 12/22.
Followers, follow your leaders.

"United 100% we stand, devided we fall."

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LOL! The Occupiers are

LOL! The Occupiers are complaining about selling privacy as a commodity and Suzie Creamcheese is heaping praise on Facebook (which just happens to be a big corporation wholly due to our capitalistic system).
Does anyone see any hypocrisy here? Anyone?

This is what I have been

This is what I have been saying. Of course people won't really give up their comforts though will they? No they will have to lose them first and then scream and tantrum about it.

Whether you agree or disagree

Whether you agree or disagree with Occupy Wall St or the tea party for that matter, because we are a country of opposing extremes...we need the middle of the road balanced wise sensible group(maybe I will start that one ;-) ) ...I believe for the first time in history because of technology and social medias, we are all voicing our concerns, thoughts, solutions, and wisdom! I believe that to be a positive, but we as a *whole nation* need to be clear on what we want...I want a peaceful balanced happy life(which I created); I do believe no one should go hungry, live in poor conditions, that no child should have a lesser education than another; we should take care of our elderly, and we should have the all resources necessary to be healthy! And I can break all that down as to how, but not enough room in this box! Is that socialism? I call is SOULism! And I believe that is the responsibility of the WHOLE: Me individually, my community, my state, and yes my government. The question is, what roles do each of us play in achieving that? Let's keep talking, but with peaceful,wise, loving energy behind our words...that just might bring a compromise!!God bless!

I will reply to you because

I will reply to you because you have some sense. The people who organized this, who nobody sees, are not for freedom in any sense. If this were honestly about American freedom, shutting down Wall Street would accomplish that about like amputating your leg would help an ingrown toenail. The reason I say it's not about that is because of the timed other riots around the world, many 'in support of' this fiasco. Why would Japan turn out en masse to rally for this? But I will say this, the folks behind this are getting smarter than at the Twin Towers attack. If you could terrify investors from investing in the free market, money would stagnate and we would have the depression all over again. Then people would be desperate. Deperate enough to accept a world wide system with a leader chosen for us and non-American currency? I hope not. I believe in America! But this exact thing was foretold by Svali in 1996 (I saw her interview on youtube by chance a month before all this started). I really didn't believe in it, but now it's hard not to believe it's being tried. I believe it will fail, though, and fail big. I also believe, though, that 99% of Americans wouldn't fit in a park that small or even in the all the places it allegedly spread.

Ralph Nader, let's hear from

Ralph Nader, let's hear from you: The abuse of corporate power is your baby, but a new generation doesn't know that. Connect those dots again please. Skip the appeal to pluts and give us proles a few points to think about and act on. Use this space as a mini-teach-in. C'mon now, Ralph. Jump in. Tochas am tisch.

Now that we have the problems

Now that we have the problems listed...What is the solution? Considering how long it took to get here, how long to achieve the solution. So we stand on our perceived divisions never realizing the singularities.

Occupiers may not realize

Occupiers may not realize this but Big Business, Banks, and the Government are not taking this occupation serious. This is because of the lack of leadership, disorganization, and a lack of centralized demands. I believe in this movement but I do not think it will accomplish anything if its members just take pictures of ballerinas on bulls as some type of analogy for victory for the bohemian, if its members cite conspiracy theory youtube videos as some kind of fact, and if people in general just follow the crowd and do not ask themselves what are we really doing here and what do we want to accomplish (critical thinking).

In this document ambiguous words are used to describe the "bad guy" such as "They" and "He". Who are they? Who is He? Corporations? Which corporations? All corporations or just some corporations? I believe someone called this document beautiful, in reality it is a disaster. First it declares nothing, second its grievances are disorganized and lack a coherent message. It reads like a laundry list of complaints.

That may be "cool" and anit-establishment and all, but think of it like this: if one were opposed to this occupation or if one were unfamiliar with this occupation and read the declaration of the Occupation in order to establish a better understanding of the movement for whatever reason, would that person be able to understand what the occupiers want to accomplish? The answer is no.

This is the document that has been made public to enact change, to allow the higher powers into the thought process of the occupiers and all it shows is that it lacks a clear message, is redundant, ambiguous, and disorganized. This is what has been shown to Big Business and Government.

This is why I urge the members and supporters of this occupation to think before you comment and really think about what it is you are doing or saying. A unified group demanding one idea is more powerful than crowd clatter and is necessary in order for Big Business and Government to take this seriously.

The people occupying (aka

The people occupying (aka loitering) on Wall St. don't know what Capitalism is. They are protesting against an anti-capitalistic system. Our current system taxes the people to redistribute to "big business". The occupiers want to tax the people to give to....... themselves!. Neither of these two things remotely resemble Capitalism. When the government has the power to pick sides, its going to pick the side with more money and power. That's what its doing right now! That is why the bailouts happened! All the Occupiers want to switch who gets that money.

The Occupiers have no moral high ground on big business. They want the same thing from the government: other people's money. They want the same system, only angled in their favor this time. Among their demands: free college education and free healthcare. How is that different from GM getting a bail out from the government? It's not! Its taxing A people to give it to B people. Its the same damn thing.

I have a 3rd option: lets shrink government back to its proper and constitutional size so it doesn't have the power to pick a side, whether it be the powerful (big business) or the weak (represented by the Occupiers). Just let everybody LIVE. LEAVE US ALONE! Thats all I'm asking for: please leave me alone to go about my business. If you let every person in America just be free you will see the true power of a free market. Growth and innovation will be rampant, almost more than we can handle. Prices of EVERYTHING will drop. Housing, food, and medical care will suddenly become affordable because the government got out of the way so the next Henry Ford or Steve Jobs could invent something great to revolutionize their industry. Everybody will be able to take care of themselves, and private charity will help those who are truly decrepit and can't survive on their own.

Exactly, Apnwahoowa! These

Exactly, Apnwahoowa! These clowns are just asking to be sheep led to slaughter by even bigger government.

This post, is a ridiculous

This post, is a ridiculous "solution", as if torn straight from the Neoliberal playbook...'Kill the government so it can't regulate big business or corporations', so the strong will grow stronger and dominate us all. Government is supposed to protect our rights and these grievances clearly declare that our rights have been violated repeatedly and this must be recitifed. This commenter (wahoowa) seems like he's surfing for the Koch brothers and peddling their bullshit.Weak government by definition cannot protect our rights since corporate power (i.e. money) calls the shots, bribing public officials and legislators, to write laws in their favor, as happens frequently with Congress, and in the case of Supreme Court, the Citizens United decision which gives carte blanche to corporations to give money in secret because they are allegedly "persons." This is just a form of economic fascism, being employed to further the neoliberal agenda, against democracy and the rule of law by us, the people. And on the other fine point of observation: the market is not free. That is a lie. When banks fail, they bride, cajole, threaten the politicians to give them tax monies, and bail them out, or else everything will go down in flames. Businesses conspire to fix prices; banks conspire to impose fees such as the latest debit card fee; businesses conspire to restrict competition and all of this nonsense from apnwahoowa is garbage...

Oh please, Michael! Where did

Oh please, Michael! Where did anyone say a small government is necessarily weak? Anyone with half a brain can recognize the bigger an entity, the harder it is to control properly and our out of control administration proves this on a daily basis!
As for "secret" donations to political parties, that is only true up to a certain amount, for anyone! I believe that's $250.
Most on the right don't believe in the bailouts that you go on about. How does that fit your narrative. Nor do they want lobbyists to control government.

Exactly. I advocate a limited

Exactly. I advocate a limited government, not a weak government. A weak government wouldn't be capable of protecting or rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

You're solution to the

You're solution to the government granting favors to big business is to give government the power to stop government from granting favors? Huh? That's what your argument boils down to, sir. My argument boils down to freedom. Smaller government = more freedom. The way to stop the government from writing laws that favor businesses is to limit government's power so it can't write those laws. If we continue to allow government to be so bloated that it is going to continue to favor the powerful and rich. We both want the same thing: to have our rights protected by our government. The best way to do that is to shrink government back to its constitutional size so it isn't big enough to pick sides. My point in the above comment was that the Occupiers don't want to change the system dramatically. They want the same big, side-picking government, only angled in their direction this time.

We the people, stand united,

We the people, stand united, to regulate our government, to regulate our tax dollars, to regulate Wall Street, to regulate corporate interests for the betterment of mankind. We deserve the right to free disclosure of the political process. We deserve the right for free health care and education. We deserve the right for a one person, one vote process. We deserve the right to demand everyone, including corporations to pay a fair percentage of taxes. We deserve the right to vote on how those taxes are spent. We deserve the right to end the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service. We deserve the right to ban lobbyists and corporate interest groups from becoming involved in our political system. We deserve the right to amend our laws and judicial system to see fairness. We deserve the right to clean alternative energies, free from dependence on oil and nuclear power. We deserve the right to free patents that have long been owned by corporations for their own special interests. We deserve the right to dissolve all monopolies that hinder our way of life. We deserve the right of the peoples vote.

What gives you the right to

What gives you the right to demand that insurance companies and colleges give you their goods for free? Or that somebody else pay for that education or medical care? What authority granted you that right, because you sure as hell weren't born with it. Mankind is born with 3 rights, and 3 rights only: the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Education and healthcare aren't in there, in case you hadn't noticed. If man was to have any other "right" it would impose an obligation on someone else. If you have the right to healthcare, than someone is obligated to give it to you. If you have the right to a college education, then someone is required to give it to you. You would have the right to demand service from an individual for no charge with the might of the government to back you up. The person who is forced to provide a free service by the government isn't free. That is tyranny. Every tyranny starts out to "help" the people, and ends up killing them all.

Any "right" that you think you have that imposes an obligation on another human being isn't a right. Its a privilege that the other person grants you because it is beneficial to him for you to buy his product. Mutually beneficial deals; win/wins. That is how the world works. Providing rights for yourself by electing socialists and liberals into congress sound pretty nice until they are inevitably turned around on you. Eventually, someone is going to decide they have a RIGHT to something that you have, and the government is going to make you give it to him. Think about that before you go loiter around n Wall St.

Well said, Apnwahoowa! I just

Well said, Apnwahoowa! I just can't believe these people say these things without a thought of how they will be paid for! It's like dealing with a child at the candy counter!

http://itch-2-bitch.blogspot. See link for my reason for occupying my home city of Vancouver! We stand in solidarity with our occupying brethren around the world!

True. (And it's too bad the

True. (And it's too bad the hyper-partisans on both sides have come to exist. It blinds them to the forest between them.)

Dialog is powerful, but only

Dialog is powerful, but only when you are dealing with rational human beings. Unfortunately in this case we are dealing with a psychopathology that runs very deep in the seats of power. These people act as if they don't care what happens to us because they are incapable of caring about anything, they are wired to not care. Please read: These people and institutions are by the very definition evil....

If you had a point, you lost

If you had a point, you lost me at the first sentence...try to wite better, your parents wnat to think they got their moneys' worth by sending you to college...

I agree with all this, but

I agree with all this, but the anarchy needs better coordination, it's too loose right now.

You need to have one demand

You need to have one demand and I think it's clear what it should be given your choice of venue ... JP Morgan are vulnerable to legal scrutiny, the NYPD are in their pockets and so are the politicians ... furthermore, Max Keiser has said that you should do this and he knows what he's on about as well as being very perceptive.

Best wishes from the UK!

Stacey you are miguided.

Stacey you are miguided. Wall Street might have disgusting bonuses, but who are you to tell a private company how much they should pay their employees. As for your dream of seizing their wealth to pay union workers. Let me give you some real facts: Based on IRS statistics and you can look them up. In 2009 Millionaires had an Adjusted Gross Income (for those of you who don't understand taxes, this is the number before deductions), of 726.9 Billion dollars. There were 234,649 Returns filed from those people, they contributed to the US Federal Treasury 177.5 Billion about 25% (that's on every dollar earned). Now let me provide you some basic math. If the government decided to go communist, and I mean N.Korea communist, seizing every dollar earned over $1 million (keep in mind we still have state taxes which in NYC is about 11% on those millionaires - and this plan would cut out all your state Government Workers out of this plan). You are looking at roughly 492.2 Billion of incomes over $1 million. If the Federal Gov't seized every penny (you know to pay your government union people. It isn't going to make that much of a difference. Let me put it to you this way -

The Federal Government spends about 3.7 Trillion a year. Take out Defense (which if you brought it to zero; we would eventually be invaded if we did that), you still have 3 trillion. If you can do basic math (I don't think you can...but you can try). 492B/3,700 Billion is roughly 13.3%, in other words if you seized all this income you could fund the government for roughly 7 weeks, without defense brings you to almost 9 weeks. The problem isn't taxing millionaires, the problem is that too many people think Millionaires need to pay for everything. Sweetie (that's an Obama term for woman), the problem is their aren't enough millionaires out there. Look your beloved Democrats (who I know you think are too soft), can add a 5% surtax, assuming this would do nothing to hurt the economy (your dreaming) this would raise roughly 20 Billion in government revenue (that's a high number), which would fund the government for roughly 2 days! Pull the IRS statistics, open up excel, and do the math yourself.

THANK YOU!!! glad to know

THANK YOU!!! glad to know there is still some sense left in this country!

Where did you get the

Where did you get the mushrooms?

Really? That's the best you

Really? That's the best you could come up with?
Get a clue, run the numbers yourself. You'll find Larry is right.
Government spending is the problem, not the revenues!

Greed has been decimating

Greed has been decimating America long before the so-called boogieman of 9/11 arrived. Since the days of the Reagan "trickle-down" economic LIE, greed year by year, decade by decade has been transferring America’s wealth, America’s future, to a soulless Corporatocracy that has become America's ruling Aristocracy. Wall Streets insatiable greed is nothing less than a deadly cancer, which is now attracting the white blood cells of the Occupy Wall Street voices of freedom, demanding our future back, demanding our small "d" - democratic country back. Perpetual Pentagon wars powered by vast corporate profits are massive malignant tumors eating at America's heart and soul. Washington DC is sickness personified, a corporate-owned brothel rampant with a super strain of a syphilitic political disease that has destroyed our democracy, while justifying the insanity, the immorality of greed run amok in the land of the free and the home of the brave. America in 2011 is a very, very, sick country. America's top 1%, America's ruling oligarchy, America's corporate political puppets, America's worshippers of greed are virulent viruses that must be excised from the American body if We the People are to survive, if America is to survive. Al Qaeda was not angry about our freedom. Al Qaeda was angry about our greed. The Twin Towers represented the twin towers of Militarism and Corporatism fueled by only one unholy thing, voracious, violent, virulent greed. Greed alone has brought America to our current precipice. Occupy Wall Street at long last is a new force of energy that may move our country away from our decades long downward spiral that has brought us to the very edge. Will America be a country of, by and for the people? Or will America be a country of, by and for the corporations?

So, apart from the fact that

So, apart from the fact that Wall Streeters and that greedy 1% provide most of the funding to keep this country going (look it up. People making over $250K a year pay 70% of all the taxes collected), are you an Occupier or a Tea Partier?
The former will give you more of the same (if not a lot worse, communism, or are you one of those who discounts human nature and thinks communism can work if you just do it right?) or the latter, which believes in smaller government from which corporate lobbyists would be banned?

Oh and FYI, the present

Oh and FYI, the present administration, while engaging in tough anti-wall street rhetoric has been pressuring the NY attorney general to settle his ongoing investigation of the banks that forged mortgage documents. If the AG settles, he will be unable to pursue other investigations. So, if you are wondering why bankers haven't been charged - look to the Obama administration. Go see how much money the financial industry donated to Dems. has the data.

Mr. Johnson no one said

Mr. Johnson
no one said anything about tearing down. the Declaration asks them to be responsible citizens who look out for the welfare of their constituents and customers. it asked them to be in compliance with the law, to be just in their dealings with all citizens and to refrain from political corruption.PLEASE read the Declaration again, this time with your mind open to the fact that, if you are not corporate upper management then you really don't have any power to change anything.

You are all a bunch of

You are all a bunch of fucking idiots. Change the system by getting a job and being a leader. Tell me what is next after we take down corporations? Where will we all get jobs? How will kids get educated? This worked real well for Russia and the Eastern European countries. Why do you think you can do better. The system may be broke...fix it from within. Tearing it down and replacing it with socialism won't work.

And for you sir I recommend

And for you sir I recommend that you read history. You may pay particular attention to the writings of Thomas Jefferson and Franklin D Roosevelt. A little of Teddy and even some Lincoln to understand what tha country STANDS for.
You sir are not it.

Oh yes he is! To think you

Oh yes he is! To think you use FDR as an example! Un freaking believeable!

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