Note To GOP Candidates: Obama’s No Socialist
Asked whether Barack Obama was a socialist—as Texas Governor Rick Perry, Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich have all agreed is most certain—former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney tried to talk his way around the most predictable question of Thursday night’s Fox News/Google debate.
But he more or less “went there.”
“What President Obama is, is a big-spending liberal,” Romney replied. “He takes his political inspiration from Europe and from the socialist-democrats in Europe. Guess what? Europe isn’t working in Europe. It’s not going to work here.”
A few minutes later, Gingrich went all in, decrying “Obama’s socialist policies.”
So there you have it. Obama’s a socialist, right? Wrong.
The president rejects the title, explicitly.
When he began talking deficit reduction last summer—with a proposal for a little bit of tax fairness combined with a suggestion that he was open to negotiations with regard to the future of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security—Obama went out of his way to explain that his was not “some wild-eyed socialist position.”
Agreed. Obama is no socialist.
Indeed, he has made the point again and again that he rejects the socialist and social-democratic solutions that have worked in countries such as Germany, Sweden, Britain and Canada. He has rejected “socialized medicine” in favor of a healthcare reform plan that requires uninsured Americans to buy policies from for-profit insurance companies. He has refused to get tough on Wall Street and the big banks, allowing “too big to fail” private institutions to threaten the US economy. He has chosen not to respond to the unemployment crisis with the sort of jobs programs that Franklin Delano Roosevelt implemented during the New Deal era, and that Hubert Humphrey made central to his advocacy as a senator and presidential candidate in the 1960s and 1970s.
So Obama is right. He is no socialist.
But his determination to distance himself from socialist ideas and socialist thinkers also distances him from past Democratic presidents and party leaders—as well as past Republican presidents and party leaders.
Socialism is not a foreign concept. Socialist ideas have been a part of the American discourse and American policymaking for the better part of two centuries. The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by, among others, followers of the French utopian socialist Charles Fourier and radical land reformers who proudly promoted the ideal of redistribution of the common wealth. Horace Greeley employed Karl Marx as the European correspondent for the great newspaper of the Republican movement, the New York Tribune. And Abraham Lincoln employed Marx’s editor and friend Charles Dana as a presidential assistant.
Seventy-five years later, Franklin Roosevelt consulted with the Socialist Party presidential candidate, Norman Thomas, before assuming the presidency and launching the New Deal. First lady Eleanor Roosevelt announced that, had her husband not been a candidate in 1932, she would have voted for Thomas on the Socialist ticket.
During the cold war, cities as diverse as Milwaukee, Wisconsin; and Bridgeport, Connecticut, elected socialist mayors.
As president, John F. Kennedy read and praised the writings of Michael Harrington, a Socialist Party member who would go on to lead the Democratic Socialists of America. Lyndon Johnson’s administration brought Harrington into the fold as a consultant on the development of “war on poverty” programs and invited veteran socialist union leader A. Philip Randolph (the organizer of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom) to present his “Freedom Budget” for ending poverty at the White House.
Randolph made that presentation along with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who in that same year, 1966, would explain to his staff: “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry…. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism…. There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
It is certainly true that Barack Obama is not an advocate for any “wild-eyed socialist position.” Nor is he an advocate for any sober and sound socialist position.
Obama’s explicit and frequent rejection of the word “socialist” parallels his rejection of the ideals and ideas associated with that word.
But distancing himself from socialist and social democratic ideals does not make Obama or his policies any more “American”—or any more in sync with the approaches of the country’s great presidents.
Quite the opposite.
Great American presidents, from at least the time of Lincoln, have respected and engaged with socialists and social-democratic ideas. They have not always embraced those ideas. And even when they have borrowed from the socialist toolkit, the act of doing so did not make them socialists—any more than Jimmy Carter’s openness to drug law reform made him a libertarian or Obama’s intriguing with those who would begin the gutting of Medicare makes him a Barry Goldwater Republican.
When Obama goes out of his way to declare that his is no “wild-eyed socialist position,” the president tells us what everyone except Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney knows. Obama also buys into the right-wing rhetoric that tells us America needs a narrower and more listless debate.
Obama and the conservatives he echoes are wrong. Now, more than ever, America needs more ideas, more debate, and a wider range of options.
Rejecting whole ideologies—conservatism or liberalism, libertarianism or socialism—is unhealthy, especially in so dynamic a country as the United States. And doing so reinforces the notion that the false choices peddled by corrupt politicians and convoluted thinkers are all that we have available to us.
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24 comments on "Note To GOP Candidates: Obama’s No Socialist"
September 26, 2011 1:57pm
I'm sick of hearing our system of government referred to as a democracy. We are not!! The Unite States is a Republic! They are two very different systems. What the right wing radicals are designing their crazy ideas around (teabaggers included), is precisely Democracy, which is a free-for-all system... You know, everyone regulate themselves. We can see how that works from wallstreet. Our forefathers knew this, and knew it would not work... they instead designed a system of regulation, a Republic! For these radicals to continue to kick and scream about regulation, and government, is a farse. Yelling socialism is only a fear tactic, because if they lived in a truly socialist country they would better understand what socialism is. And like what Fox has already figured out, the lies and distortions work on the low information public. We have always been a mixture of social programs and a Republic, beginning as far back as public schools, which was quite ok with our founders, who did not promote nor design our system to be turned over solely to business. All one has to do is look around and do a little reading of history books to find out this is true.The GOP radicals are blinded to how badly the greed of corporate in this country has hurt the middle class so badly that some citizens are leaning more and more to the idea of socialism in this country. The ones doing the most fear mongering on the topic are in fact creating what they profess to despise.
September 26, 2011 1:03pm
I agree and have said Capitalism is a failure. It enslaves people, keeps them in debt telling people they have to have all these new things now and keeps them in debt for life. Where is the encouragement to save ? After 911 what did our idiot President tells the nation ? to go out and spend money, that made a whole lot of sense. I think socialism along with Democracy working hand in hand for the good of all, empower us not just as a people but, as a nation.
September 25, 2011 10:29am
The root of the word "socialism" is "society."
A socialist society simply makes the overall well-being of the society more important than the wealth of any individual.
Socialism DOES NOT COMPETE WITH DEMOCRACY. It competes with capitalism.
A capitalist society makes the wealth of individuals more important that the overall well-being of the society.
A sensible society combines both. But when a capitalist / fascist society like the United States allows campaign contributions to influence political decisions, it is destined to fail. It has successfully purchase the media to trash the word "socialism" to create an image of "dictatorship." The media also disguises bribes by calling them "political contributions."
And the Republicans own the voting machines that report to a counting equipment operated by... does anyone know? A capitalist society would allow that. A socialist society would not.
The American military services are an example of a socialst society. Few are free to do as they choose. No one gets rich legally. Everyone works for the same objective. Everyone gets food, clothing, education, housing, transportation and medical care... FREE. It is the leaders who send them on missions who are responsible for their actions. It is not a defense system. It is an offensive force whose objective it to advance "American Economic Opportunity." It does NOT fight for freedom or democracy in any sense of the words. If fights for crony capitalism.
September 24, 2011 7:03pm
as correct as several observations are, the consumer economy has peaked, maxed out - another bubble
The Earth cannot sustain it and the "Corporate Communists" do not know where to turn to hedge their bets
I say drop their currency and move on
September 24, 2011 6:57pm
Thank you for a clear statement about the role of socialism the history of policy making in this country. Political dialogue in this country has degenerated into name calling, finger wagging, and fear mongering. It is good to see someone still thinks about issues these days.
To the uninformed and unread: Socialism is Cool!
September 24, 2011 6:00pm
KEEPING THEM HONEST: The Rebuke Message from Middle Class Americans: Mr. Boehner, Tea Party and Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy (Bakersfield) and Paul Ryan and Senator McConnell and your 43 filibuster obstructionists, more words of doing nothing from you! Americans, particularly us independents, THE NAME OF THE REPUBLICAN GAME PLAN IS TO ENSURE THAT UMEMPLOYED AMERICANS STAY UNEMPLOYED AND TO MAKE SURE NO ACTION IN CONGRESS SO THAT OUR AMERICAN ECONOMY STAYS IN NEAR DEPRESSION! THEY THINK THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS IS SO STUPID! THEY THINK WE WILL VOTE FOR THEM NEXT ELECTION! We are furious?
According to Independent Senator Bernie Sanders and retired conservative Senator Allen Simpson, it is now clear that the Republicans /hypocrites made pledges that their “only” plan is continuing its Class War against us to protect their Aristocracy of greedy Millionaires and Billionaires like the Grover Norquest, Russ Limbaugh, Rupert Murdock and Koch Brothers that provides them campaign funds to continue not paying their fair share to support their nation. The plan was never about creating American jobs for the unemployed middle class! Mr. Boehner is not interested unemployed Americans! Where are the jobs you campaigned on? Mr. President, Middle America is asking! Where is the share sacrifice?
And now, this so-called Super committee made up of the same group of idiots! Remember this in November!; you will have a debt to repay! Message from Middle Class American Citizens.
September 24, 2011 5:55pm
these (most of these) have been excellent comments. I really like what Blast Doorough said. It was clear and educated.
The corporate leaders do Own most of the Congress. They do seem to be criminal, or at least immoral in the way they do business. Like taking out huge life insurance policies that the call "peasant insurance."
The way they could help America and Americans to grow, is to Not store up their treasure. Most of it was earned by the labor of underpaid,underinsured workers. Millionaires of past times at some point gave huge amounts to schools, libraries and other things for the public good.
Socialism is good for society as long as dictators don't get behind it. THere is a great myth that it is bad. Another myth is America is only capitalist. It can be terrible with unscrupulous men behind it too.
Obama needs to quit agreeing with everything the Repulican tea partiers say and want. They are Not pro-middle class, pro worker, pro-dignified human life.
September 24, 2011 4:34pm
The question is whether the GOP hirelings of the Corporate Communists are clearly comrades of the Chinese communists, all masked as "capitalists." It remains to be seen whether President Obama is under influence of these evil Corporatecrafters. The GOP hirelings of the Corporate Communists---to the woman and man---and about half the Democrats are among the American Politburo having outsourced U.S. technology, jobs and manufacturing base to China and leaving over 50, ooo manufacturing plants vacated. All should be in jail and excluded from holding any positions of power and influence under our constitutional Republic. This is defined treason under our Constitution, more so where based on greed, corruption and sabotage of our constitutionally mandated "Republican Form of government...." The Preamble to the Constitution by definition and purpose mandates egalitarian and economic justice for the U.S. working class, small business owners and the retired seniors of those classes----the REAL economic backbone of the United States. In "Rights of Man" Thomas Paine defines the purpose of a constitutional Republic: "What is called a republic...is wholly characteristical of the purport, matter, or object for which government ought to be instituted, and on which it is to be employed, RES-PUBLICA, the public affairs, or the public good; or literally translated, the public thing. It is a word of a good original, referring to what ought to be the character and business of government, and in this sense it is naturally opposed to the word monarchy [including the desired monarchy by the born-again usurping-monarchists of today], which has a base original signification. It means arbitrary power in an individual person [or cabal of Corporate Communists or fascists, libertarians, etc. ad nauseum], in the exercise of which, himself, and not the res-publica, is the object." Why not RELENTLESSLY call for impeachment and trial of the congressional hirelings of the Corporate Communists united as an American Politburo in violation of their sworn oaths to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." These common thieves were recognized by Mark Twain long ago as the only true U.S. criminal class. They clearly despise the Constitution as our Moral Compass and only Authority under our constitutional Republic. Maybe they would prefer a slow-boat to China rather than a jail cell for life.
Plutocrat, totalitian, fascist, egotist, puppet more likely - socialist, not. The good heart and mind of Barack Obama maybe there but the President of the USA is trapped in Office.
September 24, 2011 2:02pm
If Obama doesn't want to be known as a socialist then he shouldn't be telling people, like Joe the plumber that he is.
September 24, 2011 3:14pm
because they are greedy nasty arrogant repulsives anyone who cheers for a person to die because they have no health ins is definately that. anyone who boo-s a person who is actively in the services because they are gay is really sickening. anyone who cheers when a person gets put to death is despicable.
September 24, 2011 3:12pm
you must be outta your mind. he never was socialist he is a centrist which disturbs me greatly as i think he should be WAY LEFT of where he is@!
September 24, 2011 12:55pm
Old Hat: State ownership of the means of production is a Marxist definition of Communism not Socialism. America is more socialist than communist. government ownership of some things socially has helped it prosper. Public ownership of highways, schools, libraries, etc. has always been an American ideal that has led to a better life for all. The radical right does have a point that sometimes these things are not managed as well as they can be. However, their solution of privatizing public services would be a disaster. Unregulated greed would ruin them. What is needed is better stewardship of public properties and services. They need more tax support, not less. They always need oversight. Social democratic principles have done well in Europe. More socialism in the United States might help the country.
September 24, 2011 7:41pm
Of course taking control of the means of production is a Marxist concept of Communism. Communism, as initially outlined by Hegel, always places the need of the community above the need of the individual. No such precept exists within Socialism.
The radical right not only conflates Communism with Socialism, they also conflate Facism with Socialism. They do so on the superficial observation the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany claimed to be socialistic states. Neither of the states were socialistic. Socialism places the needs of the people first. Communism places the need of the party first and Facism the needs of the ruling class.
The notion of public ownership dates back to John Locke. So does the idea of a social contract. The notion the social contract is based on the common good also goes back to Locke as does the argument for taxing wealth. Adam Smith fought against the King owning all the wealth of the nation. His idea of a free market was one where the King did not give out trade as a peonage.
The radical right has some unrealistic idea that if we go back to the way it was in the American southwest in the time of Billy the Kid everything would be great. They forget it was one range war after another. They forget law enforcement was little more than gunfighters hired by the richest farmer in territory. Fire departments? Forget them. Buildings went to the ground like so much kindling.
Call it Socialism, Lockian/Smithian Romanticism, or just the American tradition, but we have a common wealth and a common good. The interests of the people is central to our way of life, not the interests of a party, ruling class, the more productive, or the wealthy. The radical right can't serve the interest of the people because they are owned by elements of all these listed exceptions whether they admit to themselves and others or not.
September 24, 2011 1:44pm
ABSOLUTELY!
The biggest complaints people have about government services is that they are not overseen well enough. They complain of welfare fraud and unpaved roads and slow response from police....
BUT! When you look at what is really going on, you see that they are always woefully UNDER-funded, that the folks investigating welfare fraud are responsible for hundreds of cases - when 75 would already be too many, that there is no money for road re-surfacing, that there is only one law enforcement officer for every 50 people and so on.
Helping your fellow man is SUPPOSED to be an American ideal. It is a shame that so many people have decided that despising him was more fun.
September 24, 2011 12:52pm
GOP Baggers Fox have NO use for Facts signed an X REPUB
September 24, 2011 12:51pm
GOP Baggers
September 24, 2011 11:48am
Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production are state owned and goverment deciding what you should have -- bho is more a trotskite
September 24, 2011 12:53pm
trotskite WTH ? GWB caused 1000's of deaths , made more enemies Iraq was a Gift to BIN laden Bush crash TARP scam Long failed Wars based on fear and war profits GO BHO
September 24, 2011 11:19am
"Obama and the conservatives he echoes are wrong. Now, more than ever, America needs more ideas, more debate, and a wider range of options".
Oh yeah!!
Author Terry Pratchett said something along the lines of this: in a Tyranny, everyone pulls together and does whatever those in power want. In a Democracy, everybody pulls in differenct directions, discussing ideas and coming up with a wide range of options. Or something like that.
Anyway, as near as I can tell, Socialism means lending your fellow man a hand in times of trouble, sharing what you have with those who have less, and realizing that all human beings, from the highest to the lowest, deserve dignity and respect.
Why do so many people hate that idea?
September 27, 2011 2:43am
Why do so many people hate that idea?
Read your fourth paragraph again.
Where do any of those precepts lend themselves to the exploitation of your fellow man for profit?
There's your answer.
I'm not 100% on this, but the way I see it is that too many people hear the word "socialism" or "socialist" and, instantly, a horrific image of Stalin's murderous rule or Hitler's Nazi Germany, the Holocaust, and the feelings that go with them, come to mind.
The word "socialism" is based on the word "society". One definition of Socialism I've found sounds like this: A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. So, I think you've got the right idea on what it means. But, too many people don't understand the meaning of the word, and so, how the ideas behind the label, and how they translate into a way of government, is lost.
Most people fear the unknown, and worse are people who fear what they've misunderstood. Yoda would agree that fear leads to hate. Hope this helps.
September 24, 2011 12:55pm
Exactly Finally some reason / logic
September 24, 2011 1:46pm
Thank you!
(On the other hand, maybe I should apologize for using reason/logic since it seems there are so many people "allergic" to such things.)