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Isaiah J. Poole
Published: Thursday 3 November 2011
“We cannot allow the Koch brothers’ so-called ‘American dream’ to continue to be our national nightmare.”

Occupy the Koch Brothers and Stop the American Nightmare

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The very name of a Washington conservative conference this weekend is the height of subterfuge. It's called the "Defending the American Dream" conference, which is not about defending the actual American dreams of most Americans (the focus of our own "Take Back the American Dream" conference), sponsored by Americans for Prosperity, which is not an organization that promotes what is needed for broad American prosperity.

This actually is the latest effort by the billionaire Koch brothers, founders and key funders of Americans for Prosperity, and their corporate and political allies to hijack our democracy and pillage our economy. It's their attempt to perpetuate an American nightmare of continued income inequality and a government held hostage to the whims of elites. It is thus a perfect target for the latest Occupy-style protest.

The Other 98% and Health Care for America Now are sponsoring a "Koch Brothers Guerrilla Drive-In" Friday evening at the Washington Convention Center, where the conference is being held. The plan is to have an outdoor showing of a documentary on how the Kochs are using their fortune to pursue their grotesque mangling of American democracy.

The conference itself brings together many of the players in and elements of their grand scheme. For example, there is James O'Keefe, the person who dressed up as a pimp in a scheme to get damaging video footage for his scurrilous slander of the group ACORN, doing a lecture on "investigative journalism." There's Grover Norquist on a panel on "pro-growth tax reform." (He's lately been championing Texas Gov. Rick Perry's "flat tax" plan, which would allow the wealthy to slash their tax payments and would explode the federal deficit, forcing Norquist's longtime shrink-government-and-drown-it-in-the-bathtub objective.) There's Kansas Republican Rep. Mike Pompeo, a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, on a panel on the Environmental Protection Agency's "job-crushing regulatory assault"; he will be speaking on behalf of the Koch brothers, his leading campaign contributor, and the oil and gas industry, his biggest source of campaign cash. At least two Republican presidential candidates, Mitt Romney and Herman Cain, are also scheduled to appear.

No conservative conference is complete without the deification of Ronald Reagan, and there will be plenty of that going on at the Friday night "Tribute to Ronald Reagan" dinner, which will be followed by a screening of "Atlas Shrugged." (No, I am not making this up.)

But what makes this conference significant is not the tired repetition of right-wing bumper-sticker slogans, the over-the-top characterizations of Obama administration policy or the pathetic preening of presidential candidates to show off how extreme they can be. It is the very real damage that the Koch brothers and the forces that this conference is assembling are doing to our economy and to the 99 percent of us for whom the American dream of economic security is becoming increasingly out of reach.

Consider what the Koch brothers have actually been "defending":

  • Their $45 million effort to buy control of Congress. That's the amount of money Forbes magazine says Americans for Prosperity spent in the 2010 elections. That money helped Republicans control the House with the most extreme group of conservatives elected in modern history. With this group firmly in control, every effort by the Obama administration to move legislation to revive the economy has been thwarted and previous successes in health care and financial reform have come under unrelenting attack. The stream of anti-regulation, anti-labor legislation passed by the Tea Party-besotted House is pretty much lifted straight from the Koch brothers legislative agenda.
  • The destructive efforts of the American Legislative Exchange Council to co-opt state and local governments. Rather than promoting state and local governments as entities that are particularly equipped to respond to the public interest because of their proximity to the people, ALEC mounts campaigns that leave state and local governments facilitating private greed rather than serving the public good. In August The Nation's Lisa Graves explained that "of all the Kochs’ investments in right-wing organizations, ALEC provides some of the best returns: it gives the Kochs a way to make their brand of free-market fundamentalism legally binding." Examples include legislation that allows energy companies to avoid fines for polluting, that push privatization of public education, and that prevent states and localities from regulating the rogue behavior of financial institutions.
  • ALEC's efforts to suppress voter turnout. The Koch brothers' fingerprints are all over the efforts by various Republican governors and legislatures to pass voter ID laws that use trumped-up allegations of voter fraud to deliberately disenfranchise voters most likely to oppose their agenda. "It was ALEC’s draft legislation that inspired a spate of recently passed voter ID laws that, if allowed to stand, are expected to marginalize the impact of students and people of color at the polls in Texas, South Carolina, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Kansas," Adele Stan reported for the AFL-CIO blogPatrick Caldwell at the American Prospect wrote that "the rules are often configured specifically to favor the Republican base at the expense of excluding likely Democrats."
  • Their assault on public workers. Scott Walker won the governorship of Wisconsin and the ability to execute his attack on public workers there with the help of $43,000 in direct contributions from the Koch Industries political action committee and indirectly through the $1 million that Koch's PAC gave to the Republican Governors Association. The Kochs are also major supporters of Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who earlier this year credited "the strong support" of Americans for Prosperity for his now faltering attempt to strip Ohio state workers of their bargaining rights.
  • The dominance of extremist candidates in the 2012 presidential race. Koch bothers money can be found in the pockets of at least three of the most extreme Republican presidential candidates: Minnesota congresswoman Michele BachmannTexas Gov. Rick Perry and, especially, Herman Cain. Rachel Maddow reported that the Cain connections include a campaign manager from the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity, a now ex-spokesperson from another Americans for Prosperity affiliate, and the economic advisor who came up with Cain's infamous "9-9-9" tax plan, who was a member of Americans for Prosperity's advisory board. This is no surprise, because, as the Associated Press has reported, Cain has historically been a shill for the Americans for Prosperity legislative agenda. The Kochs have said they will pour at least $200,000 into the 2012 presidential campaign. "At least" is the operative phrase; expect the Kochs to funnel millions of dollars into the 2012 campaign through a variety of channels, most of which—thanks in part to the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling—will be unrestricted and largely untraceable.
  • Their ability to violate the law with impunity, and to punish those who hold them accountable. A Bloomberg Markets magazine investigation published in October calls it "the Koch method," in which employees of the brothers' oil and gas companies "were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat." The stealing and cheating, according to Bloomberg, ranged from not paying royalties for oil extracted from federal land to bribing foreign officials to win contracts—and firing the company compliance officer who discovered the bribes and called them to the attention of top corporate officials. "For six decades around the world, Koch Industries has blazed a path to riches -- in part, by making illicit payments to win contracts, trading with a terrorist state, fixing prices, neglecting safety and ignoring environmental regulations. At the same time, Charles and David Koch have promoted a form of government that interferes less with company actions," the magazine wrote.

Unregulated, unaccountable corporations. Extremist elected officials who disdain the concept of a government serving the common good. Workers stripped of the ability to negotiate collectively for fair pay, working conditions and benefits. Hundreds of millions of corporate dollars drowning out the voices of working-class and middle-class people. Voters forced to jump over ever-higher obstacles to vote for candidates who represent them, assuming those candidates can even get on ballots. This is the Koch brothers' dystopia. What they are defending is indefensible.

For at least a few hours on Friday evening, the Washington Convention Center should be the focus of Occupy movement and its allies, for the Koch brothers embody just about everything the Occupy movement is against—members of the 1 percent who act as if our economy and our democracy should be their personal servant, and that the 99 percent should feel satisfied with the crumbs off their table.

It is time for us to declare that we are the real Americans for prosperity, those of us who believe that workers should receive a fair wage for a fair day's work and be treated with dignity; that companies should be accountable for the harm that they do to people and the environment; that health care is a basic right for every person; that the education of our children shouldn't be turned into yet another corporate profit center; that government can and should work for all of the people, not the privileged few; that our democracy is the property of the people and cannot be owned by those with the most money.

We cannot allow the Koch brothers' so-called "American dream" to continue to be our national nightmare.



Gang: As a retired political

Gang: As a retired political journalist, turned Democratic activist, a volunteer in the President Barack Obama re-election campaign and recently elected member of the State Central Committee of the Nevada Democratic Pary, please let me offer some advice in fighting back against total domination by corporate interests:

1. Be careful in how you fight back. Occupy movements can come back and bite you if you don't act responsibly. Avoid violence at all cost. Don't load your crowds with nuts who look unwashed and wear clothe most Americans will be turned off by. You may have a tone of nicely dressed folks who act peaceful and sound reasonable, but the corporate news media will focus on the small minority who are not. Point that out in your messaging and don't be afraid to attack the media and demand fair coverage.

2. Keeping point 1 in mind, I think the Occupy Wall Street movement has had ONE MAJOR EFFECT on the presidential and other campaigns. Until these guys came along -- at least partially in response to the 2009 emergence of the Tea Party wing nuts who were created and financed by the Charles and David Koch billionaire brothers and John Birchers, fairness is now certainly at least a major -- if not the measure issue -- in the presidential campaign.

3. We need to make the Koch brothers -- the FINANCIAL GODFATHERS of the Republican Party and their new pal, Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson "household names." These guys -- thanks to the Citizens United ruling by the partisan Republican majority on the US Supreme Court -- are trying to buy complete corporate control of politics in America. Actually Adelson is not just content with that he also thinks he should control my native country, Israel. The Las Vegas Review-Journal -- ever the Republican cheerleader for both Adelson and his Republican Party heroes, -- actually had a story this week how he used part of his $21 billion fortune to finance a completely free super right newspaper in Israel. Adelson is a close buddy of Israeli hard line right winger Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

4. As the corporate world is becoming increasingly multinational we are seeing more and more greedy billionaires who have real loyalty only to their business entities -- and not their countries.

5. Interestingly Adelson, who like I is Jewish, made the statement in a recent interview with Politico that "unfortunately" he was in the US military -- and not the Israeli military. So he values Israeli loyalty more than US loyalty? For the record, I was born in in Tel Aviv in october of 1945 -- a little less than three years before the modern state was created. I immigrated with my parents to the US in November of 1957 and became a naturalized US citizen in 1964. I am definitely pro Israel and strongly defend its right to exist. I have family ties to my native land, including three first cousins who liver there.

5. What we need to do is spread the word and make the Koch brothers and Adelson household names in the US. The American public needs to know that they are trying to use their billions of dollars to advance their corporate greed. Mitt Romney -- a Social Darwinian -- is their CANDIDATE. He showed his true colors when he was secretly recorded in a fundrasing meeting with billionaires/millionaires. He called 47 percent of the American people people who feel like "victims" who are seeking to become "dependent" on government for education, "health care," "welfare," "food stamps" and everything else. Romney, in effect, called them leaches who who feel "entitled" to government handouts.

6. We must make sure when these arrogant businessmen try to buy elections -- as they are clearly trying to do for Romney -- that they create such a backlash that whoever their candidate is has to pay a heavy political price.

7. The Republican corporate majority on the US Supreme Court with its Citizens United ruling, in effect, legalized campaign bribery and influence peddling.

8. Above all else these new old fashioned Robber Barrons are seeking a Romney controlled US Supreme Court that will let them use their money to control everything. They talk a great game about "freedom.." But their defintion freedom is to do whatever is in their own corporate greed at the expense of our workers. They are all pretty much anti union, anti Middle Class and the jobs they create are mostly in China and other low wage countries like Vietnam, India, Chnia, Jordan, Egypt and Mexico. They also want government to control everything you do in your bedrooms. They are very anti freedom in letting women choose what they want to do as far as reproductive rights and their own bodies.

9. Please fight back. Vote for President Obama's re-election and vote to give him a Democratic House and Senate to bring about real change.

10. Please make it happen by spreading the word, e-mailing to information like this e-mail and other such information to as many people as possible, ask them to do likewise and post on your social media web sites and those of sympathetic organizations. Ray A. Cohn, retired political journalist and a member of the Nevada State Central Committee. Shalom!

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When you think about it,

When you think about it, that's got to be the right awnser.

This is perfectly

This is perfectly true:

"Whatever the Koch brothers are supporting, as long as it’s lawful, is none of your business. "

this is absolutely true, so you need to google Koch product boycott list and make sure that none of their busnesses get your business. A Sharpie when you're shoipping and you can write "Koch" on Brawny paper towels, etc., to help all avoid the Koch businesses.

The trouble is the partisan

The trouble is the partisan Republican majority on the US Supreme Court, in effect, legalized campaign bribery. Government is now for sale to the highest bidder. We need a constituional amendment to end this absurdity. And as I pointed out in my comments, some of these characters aren't even lyal to one country alone. Money talks, but we must and will fight back. Yes, we can!

Hey, onedragon453@gm, where

Hey, onedragon453@gm, where do you think all themoney for the Iraq/Afganistan war came from during the Bush admin? Try social security. Hope you're not on it. That's how Bush made his budget look better. Obama was honest enough to include and reveal the war costs in his budgets.

Mr, Tanton we know who you

Mr, Tanton we know who you are, You are the 1%

Mr, Tanton we know who you

Mr, Tanton we know who you are, You are the 1%

Mr, Tanton we know who you

Mr, Tanton we know who you are, You are the 1%

Mr, Tanton we know who you

Mr, Tanton we know who you are, You are the 1%

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Now who are you to say what

Now who are you to say what is defending the actual American dreams of most Americans? We’ve asked before, “How’s that hope and change thing workin’ for ya?” The march towards socialism, begun in the early-mid part of the last century has finally taken its toll on America. While many good things for the public have also arisen from the activism of Ralph Nader types, so has it too, from the brilliance of science, the R&D of corporations and capitalist activists.

Bill Moyers makes one of these points while he also castigates “dirty” politicians in a recent article at truth-out.org. His mistake was alluding to capitalism and conservatism more than liberalism along with bad politicians. There is no question that dirty politicians or at least those who put self-interest or the self-interests of specific powerful constituents over the interests of the American people in general is a huge problem. Politicians full of themselves are to be found on both sides of the aisle, but it does not go without notice that the Democrat Party has ruled Congress roughly 75% of the time since 1933. The blame Bush and blame the Republicans” crowd should simply look in the mirror! The electorate is to blame for putting in bad politicians and the Democrat Party is MORE to blame for they are “the ruling class” (see Angelo Codevilla’s “The Ruling Class”). And it’s so obvious the destruction heaped on the pile of previous government management by the current regime, I won’t even get into it.

Whatever the Koch brothers are supporting, as long as it’s lawful, is none of your business. Should you wish to protest, fine. I protest against anything supported by George Soros, Michael Moore et al. The problem with America and following “The American Dream” is ineffective capitalism. Social-Democracy, socialism and Marxism only serves to exponentiate the salaries of workers and management and over-regulation, high taxes and other costs to business by Big Government only help to kill American business and send jobs elsewhere. Big Government liberalism, the kind usually espoused on this website is what has killed the American Dream, not evil corporations. “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.” - Winston Churchill

We can either continue to move towards pure socialism (which is dreamland as the people are never in charge – it’s always some elitist group, military junta, despot and friends or politburo) or return to what made America great. The grassroots movement of the Tea Party, to embrace the Christian values and virtues which made our country great and demand good behavior and intellect in our elected representatives by educating ourselves and expressing our disgust at the polls is the only way to return to the American Dream. A review of the challenge can be found in Mitch Daniel’s new book, ‘Keeping The Republic’ is a good place to start. The very cerebral Republican governor of Indiana has helped to turn around the state of Indiana in a big way. The words of Benjamin Franklin ring especially true in this state and can ring just as loudly for the whole country if we return to what truly creates jobs, a competitive environment for business, leave the nanny-state mentality behind and apply common sense to foreign affairs and demand good behavior from our citizens. "Old-fashioned family values, low taxes and common sense." (John Morris) – it couldn’t be put any easier than that.

Reply to Steve Tanton: “How’s

Reply to Steve Tanton:

“How’s that hope and change thing workin’ for ya?”

It's working out great! Sooooo much better than all the hate, divisiveness, and despair spewed out by people like you. And BTW, the most stable communities in history were SOCIALISTIC.

Right on "HAVENWILDE". For

Right on "HAVENWILDE". For decades the "Regressives" have worked to coopt the language of politics and have succeeded to the extent that our media and even higher education now sound more like their own propaganda machine rather than competent, high-quality information sources.
Progressives will be fighting an uphill battle so long as that sorry state of affairs is allowed to persist. Read the recent commentary by George Lakoff on the importance of this point.

HEY 99%! We have POWER!

HEY 99%! We have POWER! “Buying Power.” And, it’s about time we used it. Here’s how.STOP BUYING THINGS. STOP BUYING…EVERYTHING.WE CAN INSTANTLY STOP THE FLOW OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.STRANGLE THE COMPANIES THAT ARE KILLING US!We want a revolution, and this is how to force it.We want companies to hire us, politicians to vote for us, and this is how to force it.We have an army of millions and millions and millions of people! Let’s combine the power that we all have. VOTE, by NOT spending.Stop buying as much as you can. Stop buying from ALL of the big corporations, retailers and banks; Wal-Mart, Walgreen’s, CVS, Rite Aid, Kroger, Costco, Target, Home Depot, Best Buy, Sears, Lowe’s, Supervalu, Procter

HEY 99%! We have POWER!

HEY 99%! We have POWER! “Buying Power.” And, it’s about time we used it. Here’s how.STOP BUYING THINGS. STOP BUYING…EVERYTHING.WE CAN INSTANTLY STOP THE FLOW OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.STRANGLE THE COMPANIES THAT ARE KILLING US!We want a revolution, and this is how to force it.We want companies to hire us, politicians to vote for us, and this is how to force it.We have an army of millions and millions and millions of people! Let’s combine the power that we all have. VOTE, by NOT spending.Stop buying as much as you can. Stop buying from ALL of the big corporations, retailers and banks; Wal-Mart, Walgreen’s, CVS, Rite Aid, Kroger, Costco, Target, Home Depot, Best Buy, Sears, Lowe’s, Supervalu, Procter

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As long as all this is a so

As long as all this is a so adult & intellectual discussion, nothing will or can change. They, the 2%ers, are masters at deflection, co-opting the masses, buying & selling human dignity.

Have some of them die& the game changes real quick. Is that so inappropriate? Guess I've misspoken, out of turn.

It's better and acceptable to be proper & nice than be honest, have children sexually traded for food, have mothers whored out for shelter, have our young men & women sent to a foreign war to use up the materials of war so more can be sold & used up.

Have our food supply corrupted for the profit of six corporations, our water polluted by deregulation or allow them to privatize education so they decide what our children can know, of America let alone what God.

All their dreams come true, because we have rules you know, as the article shows they don’t, only their rules, they win. We don’t lose because we aren’t in the game, it’s theirs.

Anger has no place anywhere in civilized society just at Koch controlled Tea Party events, then put the props back on the provided buses.

We, the people must honestly asks ourselves who is ‘inciting to riot’ here? The many? The few?

Democracy, freedom are not stable static things, but this journey of tears, anguish, and at cost we cannot avoid but are fated to relish.

At the resolve, which yes we will reach, till the next time anyway, we will all look back and again proudly, with honor loudly roar, “This is what we, the people did! Damn right! We did!”

God don’t bless America! ‘We, the people’…do!

to: onedragon453@gm Actually

to:
onedragon453@gm

Actually about 80% of the bail-out dollars were in a bill asked for and the bill signed by Mr Bush!When he took office we were on a glide path to paying off the debt but his tax breaks for the riv=ch including the Koch bro's put us deep in the red.I believe His is the first presidency in history to fight a war and lower not raise taxes, putting it all on the credit card!Where do you folks come off with this baloney?Bush wrecked the economy by removing the last bit of regulation on banks, watched them almost fail and then robbed us all to bail out their stock holders!!And you right-wing folks yak about OBAMA?????

Now as for those of us on the left that expected Obama to be able to get anything through the congress well that was wishful thinking. That will not happen as long as the Koch Bros are out there spending money by the million. Money they basically stole from governments when they bought power plants on no-bid purchases like Wisconsin's corrupt Scott Walker enabled.

The K brothers are small

The K brothers are small fish, while the big fish Rothchild and associates pull the strings from behind. The K bro. would not be anything if they had not been financed by Rothchild's financial system. Look higher if want thing to change.

Mr. Obama, tear down this

Mr. Obama, tear down this Wall!

You have got to be kidding.

You have got to be kidding. This President added more debt than all previous Presidents put together. Where do you think all the jobs come from, the jobs bill?

Reply to Onedragon: No. This

Reply to Onedragon:

No. This President inherited more debt than all previous President's put together. Yes, the jobs came from the jobs bill.

onedragon453, you're wrong.

onedragon453, you're wrong. Most of the debt is the result of Bush's deficit spending. The debt went from $6T to $13T under Bush, and is at almost $15T now. Remember, there was a surplus in the budget until Bush cut taxes for the rich, started two wars, increased Medicare spending, and created the Homeland Security money pit.

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Lie. To come up with that

Lie. To come up with that lie, you have to blame Obama for the impact on the debt of putting 2 wars on the books, the Bush tax cuts, and ALL of the TARP programs. Bush is responsible for about 8.5T of the current debt. Obama, about 4.5T

Besides, did you complain when Reagan truly added more debt than all previous administrations, so much that he was forced to raise taxes 41 times? Oh, that's right. You weren't out of diapers yet.

When Bush left, we were losing 750 thousand jobs every month. At that rate, we'd have a UE rate of 25% (35-40% in real terms) by now. How many jobs are we losing now? It takes about 200K new jobs per month just to keep a steady UE rate. During the stimulus, we were gaining jobs every month. When the funds ran out, we started losing them again. Not nearly at the rate they were lost under Bush, but employment figures again turned negative after the stimulus funds were largely exhausted. So, yes, the jobs bill both created and preserved jobs. The vast majority of private sector jobs have been created overseas.

Actually, you can't blame

Actually, you can't blame Obama for even all of the 4.5T... The budget for his first year of office was from Bush, so he's responsible for about $2.5T so far. Most of that has been spending to help get the economy (which Bush destroyed) back on track.

Why aren't the Koch Bros.

Why aren't the Koch Bros. being charged for Organized Crime , via the RICO ACT?

I would think if Capone could get popped by the IRS, certainly the Koch Bros. actions would fall under the laws of the land, beginning with RICO

Watch for the next Great

Watch for the next Great Giveaway! Don’t miss out: Your neighborhood billionaire standing at the corner handing out one-grand bills to you and all the neighbors. The economic theory of “trickle-down” (if you hand all the nation’s money to the rich, they will shower the poor and middle class with a rain of jobs and gold nuggets) has devastated the nation for the last 11 years. Voted in by Bush in 2000, it has added ten trillion to the Debt and eliminated 8-million jobs. Trickle-down is the mantra of all Republicans and their presidential candidates.

Correction: Trickle down,

Correction: Trickle down, voodoo economics has been dragging the majority of Americans down for 30 years. Only the trajectory has gotten worse in the last 12 years.

Excellent commentary. Now if

Excellent commentary. Now if just another 98.5% of the population can be exposed and informed of the current status quo and so be motivated to support the invention of a new kind of governing principle, we will have an American Civil Revolution

Excellent commentary. Now if

Excellent commentary. Now if just another 98.5% of the population can be exposed and informed of the current status quo and so be motivated to support the invention of a new kind of governing principle, we will have an American Civil Revolution

Excellent commentary. Now if

Excellent commentary. Now if just another 98.5% of the population can be exposed and informed of the current status quo and so be motivated to support the invention of a new kind of governing principle, we will have an American Civil Revolution

or moveon.org

or moveon.org

Dianne Lee November 03, 2011

Dianne Lee

November 03, 2011 10:58am new
It's becoming very apparent. We are seeing the yellow flags at our OWS demonstrations. They aren't there as counterprotesters. They are saying that we are fighting the same fight. They were fighting Washington, we are fighting Wall Street. It didn't take much of a brainstorm for them to realize that they are taking it out on the employees and we are taking it out on the employers. Many politicians are bought by the 1%er. The good thing about that is that we are turning public opinion against them to the point where those politicians are not going to get reelected on Wall Street money anymore. And, the one good thing about a "bought" politician is that you can count on them not to have the integrity to stay "bought" if it isn't in their best interests

We nneed to research and find

We nneed to research and find out every Company that the Koch Brothers are invested in and or Own. Then we MUDST do the folowing:

1.] Boycott the products they manufacture and sell.

2.] Camp in near the Sites. March and protest the Sites that we find.

3.] If we own any stock in the companies we should sell them.

Georgia Pacific is one of

Georgia Pacific is one of them - products widely sold in Home Depot and Lowes....

The research has already been

The research has already been done. The breadth of the Kochs interests is staggering. It's a helluva' lot more than toilet paper and energy. See here:

http://inspirationgreen.com/koch-brothers-products.html

Substitute John Birch Society

Substitute John Birch Society for Koch brothers. Creating hysteria is what they are good at.

Reply to George R.: Didn't

Reply to George R.:

Didn't you know that their father founded the John Birch Society?

Truth be told, the sum dum

Truth be told, the sum dum goyim elected the Republicans in mid-term and crippled the Obama Presidency. Now they are on the street saying we are the 99%, didnt they know who the Republicans are. $4.5 trillion tax cuts over the last 10 years - no supply side voodoo wealth creation and no trickle down either. Only 46m Americans (out of a 300m population) on food stamps. Its gotta be the media ownership, stupid ! But the lovely Shariah Lawley waits and yet again more than 20% of Congress will be off to Israel for their holidays in 2013.

The above comments are

The above comments are correct. Moreover, due to the manipulations already accomplished, I suspect that the window to actually recover our country from these criminals is very narrow. While both major parties are now in the pay of these forces, obviously the Republicans are far and away the most rabid in their service of the wealthy. The Impeachment of Scalia and Thomas and the defeat of Boehner and McConnell at the polls should be a priority. So far, the Republicans offer only jokes and frauds for President and it probasbly won't change. The Tea Party is increasingly revealed for the fools and incompetents that they are but are, no doubt, still dangerous to our nation. Obama will continue to sell us out as well. No real hope there.
We are also seeing the considerable truth of Sinclair Lewis's 1937 prediction: " When fascism come to America it will be draped in the flag and carring a cross." So true, behold the Christian Nazis' we now face.
Investigate, prosecute and vote for those who will. It may well be a case of now or never.

"What they are defending is

"What they are defending is indefensible."

Well then, you should be able to show their supporters how they're wrong, no? Yet - oddly enough - I'm not aware of anyone on the far-left changing anyone on the right's mind about the far-left's new-found bugbears.

You do know some libertarians and some non-libertarians have been opposing your new-found bugbears for years (and in some cases decades), right? Maybe you should find out why and see how that could be of use to you.

Libertarians? Don't make me

Libertarians? Don't make me laugh. Next, you'll be advocating that we consult the Fascists about how to make the trains run on time. Most of the most odious components of the extremist agenda, as advocated by Koch, have their underpinnings in Libertarianism. Did you notice the name of the movie that was being screened at the end of their conference?

As for changing the "minds" of the right, there is a recognized syndrome, the name of which I forget, that causes people to hold more tightly to mis-perceptions and misinformation when they are presented with contrary evidence. The more evidence they are presented with to challenge their preconceptions, the more tightly they cling to their erroneous beliefs. This syndrome is epidemic on the right. Facts do not change their opinions. Their incapacity for empathy dictates that only severe cognitive dissonance, in the form of personal hardship, is sufficient to change their "minds". Education is ineffective. Unemployment, foreclosure, medical misfortune, bankruptcy and homelessness are the surest remedies for conservative mental intransigence. Even then, they can often be convinced by their "betters" that their misfortune is a result of their own character defects. Such is the authoritarian mind.

It is hard to change the mind

It is hard to change the mind of the terminally stupid when they won't listen to facts and reason.You conservatives have been under 30 years of brainwashing by a media controlled by corporations with Fox in the lead but others close behind.Also churhes who forsake the Christian Bible and have turned God into a business man in a three piece siot/For years the Nazi's and Communist were brainwashed by a controlled media to believe they were the best.Now add conservative churches to that influence and you see how hard it is to get through to slow people like yourself

It's becoming very apparent.

It's becoming very apparent. We are seeing the yellow flags at our OWS demonstrations. They aren't there as counterprotesters. They are saying that we are fighting the same fight. They were fighting Washington, we are fighting Wall Street. It didn't take much of a brainstorm for them to realize that they are taking it out on the employees and we are taking it out on the employers. Many politicians are bought by the 1%er. The good thing about that is that we are turning public opinion against them to the point where those politicians are not going to get reelected on Wall Street money anymore. And, the one good thing about a "bought" politician is that you can count on them not to have the integrity to stay "bought" if it isn't in their best interests.

Just a thought, let's stop

Just a thought, let's stop using the term "conservative" to refer to these idiots. "Regressives" is more accurate term. I just think we might be better off if we identify those on the right with whom we can never compromise and those on the right with whom we might be able to find some common ground.

Reply to Havenwilde: Well

Reply to Havenwilde:

Well said. These are not true conservatives. They are radical Regressives, known to the rest of the world as "neo-liberals".

All of the activities

All of the activities outlined above would be racketeering if they were in connection with drugs or prostitution. All of these activities should be considered Terrorism as defined by the Patriot Act. The Social contract has been broken when Government ceases to act on the behalf of "the People" and acts on the behlaf of those seeking to subvert the needs of "the People". Unequal enforcement of law is the common thread to all revolution.

To believe that a correction of the wide ranging subversion of our politcal system can accomplished within that same system is naive at best and self defeating at worst. It is like hiring the rapist to counsel the rape victim. I seem alone in the belief of this glaring truth. You cannot rely on those who subvert the system to magically wake up, repent and make it right. They have no impetus to do so!

To the best of my knowledge that has never happened in the entire history of the Human Race. Real change come from the shedding of blood and the sacrifice of the masses. Only when forced do the elite relent, and as this all played out just 75 years ago, they soon seek to return to what they had.

Talk is wonderful, and compromise is the foundation of civilization. The people involved must agree consessions going both ways prior to compromise beginning. Without that you have the Israel/Palastine debacle. Which can go on forever in case you think it can't.

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