What Is Happening to Muslims Will Happen to the Rest of Us
The decision by the European Court of Human Rights last week to refuse to block the extradition of the radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri and four others to the United States on terrorism charges removes one of the last external checks on our emerging gulag state.
Masri and the four others, all held in British jails, will soon join hundreds of other Muslims tried in Article III federal courts in the United States over the last decade. Fair trials are unlikely. A disturbing pattern of gross infringements on basic civil liberties, put in place in the name of national security, has poisoned our legal system. These infringements include intrusive surveillance, vague material support charges, the use of prolonged pretrial solitary confinement, classified evidence that the accused cannot review, and the use of political activities, normally protected under the First Amendment, to demonstrate mind-set and intent. Muslims caught up in the Article III courts are denied the opportunity to confront their accusers and to have their religious and political associations protected, and they rarely find a judge courageous enough to protect their rights. These violations of fundamental civil liberties will not, in the end, be reserved exclusively for Muslims once the corporate state feels under siege. What is happening to them will happen to the rest of us.
“One of the misapprehensions of the last decade is that the government had to go outside the law to places like Guantanamo or Bagram to abridge the rights of suspects in the name of national security,” said Jeanne Theoharis, a professor of political science at Brooklyn College who has been an outspoken critic of the rights abridgement occurring in Article III courts. “But this is not the case. A similar degradation of rights that has characterized the prison at Guantanamo has also affected the judicial system within the United States. The right to dissent, the right to see the evidence against you, the right to due process, the right to fair and speedy trial, the right to have a judge who will be impartial, the right to fair and not disproportionate punishment, and the right not to be punished before you are convicted have been taken from us in the name of national security. It is not just in special secret prisons that this occurs, but also—dismayingly—within the U.S. federal courts.”
This is not about the guilt or innocence of Masri, an Egyptian who lost an eye and a hand as a mujahedeen fighting in Central Asia and who has repeatedly called for violence against the United States and allegedly helped orchestrate violence. This is about the right of all accused to a fair defense and humane detention conditions. Once Masri arrives on U.S. soil he will receive neither. He will, even before he is tried or convicted, endure prison conditions that replicate the brutality suffered by those in our offshore penal colonies, including the one at Guantanamo Bay. He will enter a world of prolonged and psychologically crippling isolation, made worse by the likely application of so-called special administrative measures. He will spend his days in a tiny cell under constant electronic surveillance. At New York’s Metropolitan Correction Center, where Masri and the other men will most likely first be incarcerated, he will never be allowed outdoors. He will be permitted to spend only one hour a day outside his cell, alone in a cage. Masri and the four other suspects could spend years in these conditions before trial. Because of security restrictions, it will take as long as six months for letters from his family to reach him. His lawyers can be prosecuted if they repeat in public what he tells them, especially about the conditions of his incarceration.
And, once he goes on trial, he will be in an Article III court, where national security provisions will almost certainly guarantee his conviction. Once convicted, he and the others are likely to be sent to the federal Administrative Maximum facility (known as ADX), in Florence, Colo., to spend, potentially, a lifetime in solitary confinement. There he will be permitted, at most, an hour a day out of his cell, in a cramped cage nicknamed “the dog run” because it looks like a dog kennel. His meals will be delivered to his cell through a slot. He will not be permitted to work in prison industries or have congregational prayer, an essential tenet of the Muslim faith.
“Torture is legal in the United States in the form of years of solitary confinement and the use of special administrative measures,” Theoharis said when we spoke by phone. “The Obama administration has not only refused to hold Bush officials accountable for torture, but maintains torturous conditions in federal prisons. And the Obama administration willfully misled the European Court about the conditions these prisoners face.”
Nearly every state now has a “supermax” prison similar to the federal prison at Florence, which former ADX Warden Robert Hood once called “a clean version of hell.”These prisons presage a dystopian world where disobedient citizens are seized, stripped of rights and broken psychologically. Law professor Laura Rovner and Theoharis—who is an outspoken advocate for her former student Fahad Hashmi, being held in the Florence supermax—detailed the corrosion of justice within federal courts in an article in the American University Law Review. They noted that the distortion within the federal legal system “represents a particular way of seeing the Constitution, of constructing the landscape as a murky terrain of lurking enemies where rights must have substantial limits and the courts must be steadfast against such dangers.” The two professors went on to argue that while legal scholars and human rights advocates have examined the dangers of these paradigms in Guantanamo, they have generally failed to acknowledge that “the federal system is similarly infected by such paradigms.”
There are currently an estimated 25,000 prisoners imprisoned in supermax facilities. They are disproportionately Muslims and people of color. Many, including Hashmi,Dritan Duka, Oussama Kassir and Seifullah Chapman, were not found by the courts to be involved in specific terrorist plots but instead were incarcerated under these conditions for their “material support” to terrorism. The prisons are equipped with special housing units for those who do not show a proper deference to authority. These “H-units” hold prisoners under special administration measures, or SAMs. They live in cells of only 75 to 85 square feet. They endure almost complete social isolation and sensory deprivation as well as round-the-clock electronic surveillance. And it is in these units that even the most resilient are psychologically destroyed.
Prolonged isolation, says Craig Haney, a psychologist at the University of California at Santa Cruz who has studied the effects of solitary confinement, eventually induces “appetite and sleep disturbances, anxiety, panic, rage, loss of control, paranoia, hallucinations and self-mutilations” as well as “cognitive dysfunction ... hopelessness, a sense of emotional breakdown ... and suicidal ideation and behavior.” Haney found that “many of the negative effects of solitary confinement are analogous to the acute reactions suffered by torture and trauma victims.”
Masri, a burly man who once was a bouncer in a nightclub, is accused of 11 terrorism charges, including attempting to set up a terrorism training camp in a remote area of Oregon and involvement in a kidnapping in Yemen in 1999 in which three British tourists were killed. He was based at north London’s Finsbury Park mosque, which I visited several times when I was covering al-Qaida for The New York Times. His rhetoric was always incendiary and conspiratorial, assuring him press coverage, which I suspected he coveted. He called the 9/11 attacks a Jewish plot and the Columbia space shuttle explosion “punishment from God.” Richard Reid, the hapless shoe bomber, whose past associations I was investigating in London, attended the mosque. Masri was never an important Muslim leader in Britain or abroad. He made headlines mostly because he sought them. He was jailed last year in Britain on charges of soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred. And at that point the U.S. began the process of extradition.
Masri faces the possibility of life imprisonment. He will be extradited with four others, including Khaled al-Fawwaz, a Saudi national, and Adel Abdul Bary, another Egyptian. These two men are accused of having been aides to Osama bin Laden in London and allegedly taking part in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa in which more than 200 people were killed and thousands injured. Babar Ahmad, a British citizen in detention since 2004, will also be extradited. He, along with Talha Ahsan, is accused of using his now-closed website, Azzam.com, to support terrorism. Ahmad has been held in custody in Britain without trial for nearly eight years.
The ruling of the European Court of Human Rights, handed down Sept. 24 after the men requested that the court block their extradition, in essence certifies that U.S. prison standards are compatible with European human rights. This opens the door for any European nation receiving extradition requests from the U.S. to swiftly turn prisoners over to U.S. authorities. The ruling came despite the fact that 26 human rights groups including the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, and Human Rights First supported the prisoners’ contention that they would be housed in inhuman conditions in the United States. The human rights groups predicted that the court’s ruling would have “serious implications … for legitimizing the use of conditions of confinement that violate human rights.”
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12 comments on "What Is Happening to Muslims Will Happen to the Rest of Us"
October 02, 2012 9:54pm
More moslems are in jail because basically they are all criminals!
Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, who always blamed "god" for his own penchant for committing crimes.
Muhammad was an arch-criminal, who wrote a crime-manual book of alibis and excuses that basically proclaim that, since he got away with committing his crimes (he tried them all, many times, and in stead of ever expressing any regret for having committed them, or any remorse, told everyone else how much fun they'd been to commit, and advised everyone else join him in the fun in committing them, too!) then "god" must have wanted him to get away with committing them!
Greedy Muhammad was always 'The Profit!'
Before Moe, there was no islam and so no "moslems;" so all their subsequent slanders about how they were only "defending" themselves from the evil Jews and Christians, was and still is only a victim-blaming excuse - their own most official explanatory hadiths state that when Moe demanded the other citizens of Mecca destroy their idols and worship his new "allah" alone, they refused, so he then threatened them with violence by declaring: "Then I will bring you slaughter!"
Moe (as do most criminals, who use the tactics of coercion, duress, and extortion aka "Terrorism," to cow his victims,) was a terrorist from the beginning.
His own most official islamic moslem stuff even quotes him as having bragged:
"I have been made victorious by terror!"
If you decide to believe in allah, you have declared yourself a criminal and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession will help us to do so.
Holy mobster Moslems only hate infidels because the Qur'an says "god" orders them to - Period.
Islam is a threat to everyone because IT says it is.
All moslems are criminals because, by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur'an.
And the Qur'an tells them that they are so "superior" to all non-moslem humans, that it's not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the "crime" of not being moslems.
So the Qur'an is a written hate-crime book expressing a permanent death-threat.
And all threats are psychological attacks (aka: coercion, duress, extortion, "terrorism") and all non-defensive attacks are already classified as crimes.
After all, when you attack the Others first, then, by definition, you are the predatory criminal aggressor, and they are your innocent victims - there's no two ways about it!
(Attacking second, in defense of one's self and/or of innocent others, is always OK, and is in fact a mandatory requirement for having any sort of deterring justice in the world at all, ever)!
We obey the Golden Rule of Law, which, by simply defining all situational morality as: "Do Not Attack First!" enables trust, progress, and Civilization.
(See all "Western" countries)!
They obey the brazen rule of chaos, which embodies immorality as: "Our god says we always have to attack all 'The Others' first!" and so inflicts distrust, stagnation, and Barbarism.
(See all 'moslem' countries)!
Here's islam's "holy Message from god" as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it's Founder:
"I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me - and you can, too!"
-Muhammad-
So obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only "religious" part in it, is where they say:
"God told us to commit these crimes!"
(Capisce?)!
;-)
BAN ISLAM - because everything moslems pretend to consider "holy" is already a crime!
Now, I'm not surprised you totalitarian conformist, victimology-selling Emocrats are all scared you'll end up in prison along with your criminal moslem brethren, because as long as you keep on advocating for group-might-made-rights and the enslavement of the human individual, you'll deserve it, too!
I’ve always wondered at the left’s insistance that it’s always the White Man’s fault, and that therefore all the guilt and reparations are still THE WHITE MAN’S BURDEN to bear, but then it hit me:
You Liberals are racists – you always assume that ONLY White, Western people (including, of course, the Jews in Israel,) are INTELLIGENT enough to be judged guilty of being truly evil, while all your pet “People Of Colour” (including, of course, the “swarthy palestinians,”) just can’t help being violent animals, the poor oppressed little dears, so you’ll always indulge their crimes, much as one ignores the new puppy as it pees on the rugs.
So, Dear Emocrats: Please, be honest, and ask yourselves this simple question:
"Are moslems an inferior race? "NO!"? Then why are you always defending their right to remain irresponsibly wrong!?"
PS: The nazis were really only 'White' moslems!
;-)
October 02, 2012 1:37pm
Stalag/Gulag West, available for all; & I wonder about PM Harper’s craving for prisons, here in Canada where the crime rate has fallen significantly. I note that the illustration reveals the modern realization of Bentham’s Panopticon.
October 02, 2012 6:22pm
kootenay..you are so right.
October 02, 2012 12:31pm
Okay- how about we let you keep these kind citizens of the world in your home with your wife and children while awaiting their unfair trial in the United States?
You people are truly hilarious if you weren't so dangerous. These are men that have killed Americans and who if freed would kill as many more as they possibly could. They would gladly slice your head off with a dull kitchen knife if given the opportunity. They have wartime combatants-- like the Nazis captured in WWII. These prisoners of war were released when the war was over-- same in our own civil war and the second war. THey are not criminals-- they should be simply held in prison until the war is over and clearly it isn't over by any stretch of imagination. THey are not U.S. citizens to boot-- and you are all worried about their living conditions -- really? Why don't you worry about the young men and women they killed both our soldiers and innocents as well. And while I am on the subject of torture-- is your President's Tuesdays murder by drone parties in the White House of any concern to you? He doesn't capture them and hold combatants he prefers to just vaporize a house that perhaps holds some bad guys-- bad guys determined by him alone from Mount Olympus-- and not have to worry about torture or living conditions-- he just kills them outright. I suppose killing people is really not as bad as putting them in a small cell-- wonder which one these people he has killed would prefer?
How many people in Libya did OBama kill by ordering a massive bombing campaign in a country that clearly was of no threat to the United States whatsoever. THey had no weapons of mass destruction-- everyone knew they had none, they had even openly destroyed all these types of weapons, and OBama didn't bother having Congress vote to give him authority to wage such a campaign of terror from the sky did he? Did he go to the United Nations to make a case for military action? Nope. Bush did both didn't he? Hillary voted as a Senator in fact to give Bush this authority but Obama can't be bothered with the laws of this country of the elected legislature - -he just does what he wants when he wants -- ignores laws he doesn't feel like defending and makes up new ones where he would like one.
But I digress- these assholes that were caught on a battlefield should be held until the war is clearly over -- and if that takes the balance of their lifetime so be it. This is to also inform other combatants that you won't get out in three years if you are caught on the battlefield. It now appears that the killing and anal assault by the friends of these men you want to defend with so much effort and money-- not only killed our Ambassador but sexually abused him first-- did you see those pictures of this poor man who thought he had a country behind him- willing to defend him?
THere is no way to produce evidence in a regular court of Law in say Los Angeles or Boston etc-- that will prove that these men committed murder as if they were street gang members that have done a drive by shooting. They fought and were captured in Afghanistan or Iraq -- fighting against AMerican soldiers just trying to stay alive at that time and these soldiers were not doing forensic crime scene investigations like cops do here following a shooting.
If you had your way -- these men would be tried just like we would any resident murderer here in the U.S. and every one of these enemy soldiers would be released and if you had the trial here in the U.S. -- like you want-- they would likely apply for asylum and get granted resident status as well. SO you would effectively transport and release into our country the worst of our enemies right into our homeland and give them no doubt food stamps, and housing assistance and perhaps training at the local flight school as well -- all paid for by us.
And you are surprised that most of these men are MUSLIM-- okay-- why not more say Jews-- or perhaps Mexicans or perhaps some Sweeds-- I know -- because radical Muslims have been trying to kill us for a decade you fools. Did you see any Catholics in the crowd that dragged our Ambassador through the streets and killed him? What faith were all the men that executed 9-11? Muslims you say-- and who has committed every terrorist act against our soldiers and country in the last ten years-- Oh you say- Muslims. But it just seems odd and telling that there are more Muslims held in prisoner of war camps?
And buddy- your idea is to give over control of our freedom and our country to the rabble around the world? Citizen of the world?? Odd that when anyone around the world is given the opportunity to immigrate from their own country they rush to the United States first and foremost.
One solution to illegal immigration is to make this country as poor and the prison that most other countries are today and then people will stop coming here -- at least that will solve the illegal immigration problem won't it!
The only conclusion is that you liberal goofs are simply too smart for your own good and have flipped over into stupid again--
If you hate this country so much and everywhere else in the world is so much better-- why don't you immigrate to one of these other utopian societies around the world. Oh - wait -- the Soviet Union tried your culture and government for nearly a 100 years and after massive poverty, suffering and human degradation that system collapsed-- too bad it did it before you had a chance to move there to enjoy the wonders of communism and spreading the wealth around.
October 02, 2012 10:31pm
"These are men that have killed Americans and who if freed would kill as many more as they possibly could."
The point is, no one knows that. All anyone knows is that someone accused them of that, and you're trusting that because someone in the federal bureaucracy guilty ID'd and detained them, they're guilty. You've turned the American definition of justice on its head.
The founders of America revolved against the British Empire because it treated colonists exactly the same way. They fought and died for the right to habeas corpus—hearing the charges against them in a timely manner with an opportunity to face their accuser. The whole point of the right to face one's accuser is to confirm before the citizenry that the allegations have foundation in fact. Now the government refuses to disclose the bases of allegations, claiming it would threaten American security. That excuse is as old as despotism.
The Bush administration's rationale was to deem suspects "enemy combatants," perverting the very definition. The term historically refers to uniformed soldiers of conventional armies on the opposing side of a line of battle taken as prisoners of war—obvious enemy combatants. The logical time to release them was after the war ended. Following 9/11, the government applied it to any suspect detained at an airport or pulled off the street in any cooperating country; in those cases it was isn't the least clear that the suspect actually is guilty—only that some authority has pointed a finger—making the need to independently review the evidence imperative. And the "war on terror" will never end because it's not against a government that can be defeated, but against groups and individuals committed to killing Americans—often Americans shipped to the far corners of the world to kill them.
The Constitution also says charges have to be brought quickly or the accused released. That too was based on the way the British treated the colonists, and it too has been simply waived off as less important than national security. What the Founding Fathers fought and died to throw off has now become standard operating procedure for the United States government.
If someone in the government says you are a terrorist, you have NO recourse. You can be held indefinitely, for years, in solitary confinement, no contact with family or legal counsel, no evidence reviewed by an independent judge (if you're lucky, a military tribunal), no charges lodged, possibly even sent to another country to be tortured. When you approve of such treatment for others, you're approving it for yourself. And you may never know why.
October 02, 2012 9:48pm
Well said! The article's author assumes foreign criminals (i.e: moslem terrorists) have some sort of right to "basic human rights," while ignoring that all real rights are commensurate with responsibilities!
There's something called the social contract, which is based on the Golden Rule of Law which defines all morality simply as "Do Not Attack First!" and which so enables trust, progress, and civilization. This contract holds that, only by Responsibly upholding this Rule, are you afforded Rights.
Your only real right is to not be attacked first, and your only real responsibility is to not attack others first. As that contract defines your right, it does not thereby supersede it.
When you renege on your responsibility, you become a criminal (because, when you decide to attack others first, then, by definition your choice defines you as a predatory, criminal aggressor, and they as your innocent victims - there's no two ways about it)!
Upholding the contract also defines you as a free citizen; when you break it, you effectively, freely, give up your right to be a full citizen.
When you ignore your civic responsibility and decide to become a criminal, you lose your civil rights (say, to vote) for the duration of your punishment.
But if you're the citizen of a foreign country, you have no such specific rights to lose, only the universal right to remain free, which is dependant on your responsible observance of all others' similar rights (to not deprive them of their rights to life, freedom, and to own property) and so your own choice to do so should justly deprive you of the right to freely move about to continue to harm others!
October 02, 2012 1:40pm
"They fought and were captured in Afghanistan or Iraq -- fighting against AMerican soldiers just trying to stay alive at that time"
No, in Iraq at least. Fighting illegal American aggressors invading their homeland to rob them of their oil.
October 02, 2012 9:23pm
"Yes indeed, because the peaceful, non-racist, non-misogynist, non-colonialist and non-imperialist moslem Arabs are all still confined in their one original country of Arabia," ... right?
;-)
It's "not" like they went forth on Muhammad's world-conquering, "master-religion" orders to violently invade and enslave the whole world, starting with all those formerly Greek Christian countries in the middle east, like Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Turkey (not to mention Persia and India), is it?
“Multiculturalism” pretends that, because all the mere superficial symptoms of growing up in different parts of the world (appearance, skin tone, sartorial variances and ‘preferences’ for, and familiarity with, various types of ‘ethnic’ foods, all really only depending on environment) are of only negligible importance, that “All Cultures Must Be The Same!”
As if raising generations under the indoctrinating cultural imperative of “THOU SHALT KILL!” would make absolutely no difference in any subsequent social norms, when compared to raising a populace of children with “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!”
Islam’s own most official instruction manual, the Qur’an, declares islam was created by “god” to violently destroy and replace all “other” religions and cultures in the world. The subsequent actions of their followers confirm this.
Further, they have declared it their “right” to murder anyone who even verbally declares their defensive opposition to the moslem’s attacks, in declaring it “blasphemy” (a 'crime' punishable by death) to resist their extortions.
So, for the last 1,400 years, islam has openly declared criminal, aggressive war on all of humanity, right in their "holy" Qur'an.
And they've acted on it, too - with a historical average of a lot less than 1% of the global population, they've still managed to be responsible for over HALF of all murders (and all other crimes). Islam has killed over 270 million people (that's OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENT LIVES SACRIFICED TO ALLAH so far)!
Islam has committed more murders (and all other crimes) than EVERY other human creed (both secular and religious)!
So, because of their official, "THOU SHALT KILL!" creed, (and even with having bred themselves up to be one fifth of the world today,) the moslems are still from between four and several hundred times more likely to commit murders (and all other crimes) than EVERYONE ELSE, combined!
“Multiculturalism” IS “Racism,” too!
For instance, ALL the so-called islamic countries are at the exact BOTTOM of all the developmental indexes.
So, there’s only two possible explanations for this: it’s either nurture (‘culture’), or nature (genetics/’race’).
Yet you shallow liberals prefer to pretend that all indoctrinating cultures are equal, and so they all have the exact same effects on their respective populaces. Which leaves only race.
Then you further clinch your own prejudices, by blaming only the White, Western folks for “propping up” all the non-White genocidal dictators in the world (again implying that only the White Westerners have been historically INTELLIGENT enough to manipulate the poor innocent but mentally inferior savages) and as if, without Whites, there would be no non-White dictatorial madmen in the world.
But history and current events prove that (at least for being BAD,) all races ARE the same, and so of course the vast majority of dictatorial madmen in the world have been non-Whites (Muhammad, Ghenghis Khan, Attilla, Mao, Pol Pot, Taylor and Kony, Bobby Mugabe) – because their races outnumber Whites in exact proportion to their respective numbers of dictators, which (in all reality, and despite you liberals racism,) only leaves nurture or “culture” to explain islam’s failures.
And it’s quite simple, really: our “Western culture” is based on Confucius’ (wholly Eastern,) Chinese morality, on the Golden Rule of Law (basically: Do Not Attack First! and on “THOU SHALT NOT KILL!”) and so we enjoy trust, progress and civilization.
(See all “Western” countries)!
Islam, however, is based on the exact opposite – on the immoral, brazen rule of chaos, (basically: “It’s our holy right and duty to always attack all ‘the others’ first!” and on “THOU SHALT KILL!”) and so they suffer from self-inflicted distrust, stagnation, and barbarism.
(See all “moslem” countries)!
October 02, 2012 11:11am
How can anyone familiar with the rise of fascism in Nazi Germany not remember the words of Martin Niemöller ?
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. "
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
As long as we continue to think of ourselves first as citizens of nations or members of religions, race or cultures rather than members of the human race, we are subject to the simple tactic of being divided and conquered.
It is time we questioned our individual and collective self-identity. We must see ourselves as Soldiers For Peace: http://takebackamericaforthepeople.blogspot.com/2009/11/soldiers-for-pea...
October 02, 2012 9:55pm
Islam is not a "religion," (at all, much less one "of peace") nor is it a "race," (much less one of "poor oppressed People of Colour") nor is it a "culture" (except in that that there are really only TWO 'cultures' in this world: our one of Civilization, and their one of Barbarism).
It is in fact islam alone which officially and EXACTLY demands the divide and conquer, us-versus-them, and might-makes-right strategy and tactics you describe, to become the one surviving "religious culture" in the world, according ONLY to their OWN most official documents' proclamations!
It is time you educated yourself about those who have openly declared them SELVES to be your global and eternal ENEMIES.
So: I DARE YOU to actually read their Qur'an, their most official ('sahih') explanatory ahadith, their OWN Tabari histories, their OWN "life of Muhammad" (Ibn Hisham's rendition of Ibn Ishaq's sirat rasul allah, as translated by Guillaume, no doubt available in your own local library) and of course the four sunni and one shia maddhab fiqhs (the Haneefite, Malikite, Shafeite, Hanbali and Jafari schools) of their OWN most official books of sharia crime ("law") which are also all mostly based on that exact same Qur'an and on those exact same hadiths!
PS: The nazis were really only 'White' moslems!
;-)
October 02, 2012 1:20pm
A welcome and wise comment. Thank you. I needed that after having read the hateful one above yours.
October 02, 2012 9:37pm
"Hate crimes laws" are all babbling nonsense! We already have valid laws concerning prejudicially accusative slander and libel, to which there's always the defense of the Truth!
"Hate" is only the natural human response of perpetual anger towards ongoing crimes (like islam)! Without "hate," no one would ever bother to accuse any criminals of their crimes, and by doing so, end those crimes!
When some people pretend to want to make HATE CRIMES "illegal," they really only try to make it illegal to HATE CRIMES!
They now pretend it's illegal to accuse any criminals of their crimes, if doing so might hurt the criminals' feelings, and so "make" them commit even more crimes!
Here's islam's "holy Message from god" as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it's Founder:
"I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me - and you can, too!"
-Muhammad-
So obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only "religious" part in it, is where they say:
"God told us to commit these crimes!"
(Capisce?)!
Well, I'm not afraid to say in public, that Yes, I DO hate crimes!
So: Why don't YOU?!
;-)